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SCN5 / SCN6 Hardware Thread

Discussion in 'SimTools compatible interfaces' started by egoexpress, Sep 29, 2008.

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Let me add, that it would be better to ask us about a commercial converter, before buying. Post a link, and we will tell you, if it is a suitable one.

    @Sirnoname
    You did the wiring by removing the RS485 connector, and plugged the wires directly to the converter.
    I would recommend to use a second RS485 (adapter)cable, to prevent cutting off the SCN5 connector.

    SCN5 -> RS485 cable -> female/male RS485 connection -> RS485 cable -> converter

    It would prevent loosing warranty. As well the used colors inside the SCN5 cable could change.
    Do you know the marking of the SNC5 RS485 connector? Is it industrial standard?

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    It will be better to design adapter cables, which connect to the SCN5' connectors.

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    Christian
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Could you please make a closeup picture of both SCN5 connectors. Perhaps we can determine their brand/model.

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Everbody is free to decide the best option for him. But I think 180$ for 4 adapter cables are quite much, if the connectors cost ~1$ each, and the wires not that much more.

    I would tinker them...

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    I have ordered 12 sets (4 connectors each including crimps) today. I will make 12 adapter cable sets for the community.
    They will be nice and clean with shrink hoses.

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    Christian
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Hello! Ego,

    Would you mind to reserve one set for me, please? :hi:

    Do you have any idea how much they will cost in the end?

    Thanks!

    Erick
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Hi! Ego,

    Not sure you've read this yet.
    I was just wondering if I can count on one of your cable sets?

    Thanks a lot!

    Cheers,

    Erick
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    I too am about to start down the path of purchasing and interfacing SCN 5's to X-Sim. I will be in need of the cabling solution that you have been discussing here. First of all, are they still available, and secondly, I do not mind spending the extras money for quality and reliability. Is there any advantage to the more costly commercial options? If not, how muich for one of yours?

    Bernard (bvillersjr)
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    The advantage of the commercial ones is, that you dont have the work of tinkering those tiny crimps onto the wires :brows:

    But imho 160Dollars is quite much for a DIY budget, if the individual parts cost less than 10Euro (4 connectors, some wires)
    I have enough connectors to tinker 12 adapter pairs. Just waiting for the pcbs from the etching service. Takes quite long this time :(

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    To make sure that I understand correctly, you are providing the entire USB<-->RS485 interface with cabling?

    How much will you be charging for yours once they are ready?

    Also, this may be a little off topic, but I arrived a little late to contribute to the SCN5 effort. However, I would still like to reward the developers for their efforts. I wouldn't have a chance of getting this done without them. Could someone please point me in the right direction.



    Thanks,

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    I would like to hear from anyone who has implemented a fully functional SCN5-based driving simulator or even someone who has not implemented one, but has knowledge of using the SCN5's with X-Sim.

    I am trying to determine which model SCN5 to purchase. They offer six versions ranging from a 50mm to 300mm stroke. However, a 150mm stroke (5.9 inches) is the largest stroke available while maintaining the 400mm / sec speed. Any larger than that and the spoeed drops to between 200 mm / sec and 120-mm / sec.

    Which size / speed combo is recommended fora Frex style driving simulator combined with the X-Sim software?

    Opinions / comments PLEASE.

    Thanks,

    Bernard (bvillersjr)
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    I've been doing quite a bit of reading here and I'm a little confused about what the best performing USB-->RS485 solution is. It seems that it is NOT the ADP-1 cable from the manufacturer of the SCN5 actuator.

    I am looking for a suitable commercial converter that will offer optimum performance. What do you think of this one. http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/485USBTB-xW_0108ds.pdf. It's $85. Also, if you know of something better please let me know. I expect to have the SCN5's shortly so I'm in a hurry to find the best connection option.

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Hey Bernard,

    we havent finished the testing procedure. Please be a little patient. I will make some converters for you guys. With those converters you can be sure, that they are fast enough, and compatible.
    I will make 4 comport sets, and 4 USB sets.

    I've received the connectors for the SCN5 power supply on friday,
    DSCF2310.JPG

    and I've received a shipping information from Heinz, that he will send the pcbs tomorrow. As well I will purchase the SCN5 RS485 connectors tomorrow, and depending on when the pcbs will arrive, I will probably have some adapter sets finished till weekend. So I think you should save those 170$, as it is quite much money for such cheap converters. The spare parts for it do cost just a fraction.

    I dont have an idea how much I will charge you guys for the adapter sets.
    But I am not in the mood to make money with them.
    Just want to have back the ammout I've paid, plus a mite for the time I am going to spend to make them, plus shipping.

    So, as I've said above, be patient for some days more....

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Thanks for the update! I will wait for one of your USB sets.

    Regards,

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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread


    Thanks for the info. I have decided on 150mm for my seat design. How do I obtain X-Sim 2.0.62?

    :sos: Also, has anyone proven that these actuators can handle hours of use (assuming the SimForceGT Seat design)? I'm a little concerned about their speed / thrust curve.

    Also, and this may be off subject, I would like to contribute financially to your efforts. I am not a rich man, but it only seems fair that if I am to partake of your efforts that I should give something in return. Have you considered adding a donations page to the X-Sim website?

    Many thanks,

    Bernard (bvillersjr)
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Hi Bernard
    Frex proves the scn5 works and last.
    Only more travel can give wight problems.
    Google with FREX ,and you see it.
    regards Ad
    :hi:
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    Re: SCN5 Hardware Thread

    Hey Bernard

    The SCN5 will work in the SimforceGT as well as in the Frex.
    Though it works with 100mm ones as well, obviously, I'd recommed 150mm ones for some additional safetyzone.

    The starting post tells us:
    So please help to keep the thread clear. If you have general SCN5 related questions, then open a new thread please. thx


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    i just gotta say, sirnoname, your an awesome guy for doing all that you do, i really appreciate it :cheers:

    Dave
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