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Rollercoaster 2dof build plan

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by Cale, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. Cale

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    Noorbeast i have been looking at some linear actuators which are available to buy in australia here is a link to one and also the data sheet, could you have a look and see if this would be possible to use in a 3dof or 4dof build where it would be used as a 2 in the front 1 in the back or 2 in the front 2 in the back (4dof). The linear speed is 430mm which is just higher than a scn5. They also have another actuator which has a linear speed of 130mm but a much higher dynamic load rating at 50kg, would that be too slow though?

    https://www.robotgear.com.au/Produc...ear-Actuator-with-Feedback-6-Stroke-12V-0-5-s

    Thanks
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    I am not sure where you got the linear speed of 430mm from.

    The linear speed in the Specifications of that page is listed as 0.5 in/s, which is 12.7 mm/s.
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    Sorry i meant 43mm for the 5:1 gear box and 13mm for the 20:1 gearbox. Would these have suitable specs for use as a 2dof or 3dof build?
    thanks
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    If only life could be that simple..:). As @noorbeast said - too slow and it can only operate continuously for one minute our of every four (needs time to cool down) - not much use for a sim.
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    Ok well how about using ac motors? I would assume they produce more torque which would be good for a rollercoaster sim build.
    Is this much more difficult to achieve than using the dc motors?
    What do i need to use ac motors? A vfd, hall sensor and the motor..is that all?
    Does anyone have any good builds to follow with ac motors?
    Thanks guys.
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    FAQ.:rolleyes:.. https://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/vfds-and-3phase-motors.9/category
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  8. Cale

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    So have been doing some more looking around and have possibly decided to still make the seat mover 2dof for use with eventually vr and rollercoaster sims (for the kiddies) but i was thinking of also making a SEPERATE platform on wheels which would house a steering wheel, pedals and tv for racing games, so the tv, wheel, pedals would wouldnt be part of the 2dof sim so it wouldnt move......what are peoples thoughts on just the seat moving without the wheel and pedals? Is it still a feeling of being in the car or is it just uncomfortable, im trying to keep it compact but also able to be multi use.
    Im also looking at going the cheaper 200w 180rpm worm motors from motion dynamics as opposed to there more expensive higher torque motors so i was wondering would i need to do shoulder mount to get good movement from my seat or would i still be able to go my lower thigh height mounting to keep my base compact? Remembering max weight of people on the sim would be 90kg tops.
    Thanks again guys.

    UPDATE I have purchased my 2 HP server PSU's so i have at least gotten somewhere, am purchasing my racing seat next week. Whilst also honing in on final designs and specs. So many options!
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    I first had a seat shaker with a fixed foot rest. This was good for driving simulations, but not for flight and also not for rollercoaster. In both cases it disturbed the immersion that my knee joints were bending and stretching.
    For this reason I mounted the foot rest onto the moving part of the rig.
    However, my steering wheel is still fix.
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    So i have been talking to a friend from my work about my project and he has a friend that works at a place that stocks gearboxes and ac motors in single phase and 3 phase. So now im wondering could i make a 3dof platform with heave using ac motors......although having a look through the forums i havent really found any good indepth builds using ac motors i could follow. Im really wanting to know things like is single phase or 3 phase motors better? Do i still need potentiometers? What to use a VFD or a VSD per motor? Do i only need the motor, the gearbox and a VFD then they all hookup to my pc or is there something im missing?
    Anyone on the forums know where i could look...thanks guys!
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    I have been looking through the AC forum but am wanting to hone in on which motors and gearboxes to buy for my build. Im looking at the links with all of the calculators so that i can workout how much "lift" these motors will give and at how fast they will be able to move my seat but the website doesnt give very good details on the specs so that i can easily type them into the calculators to get the numbers i need so i was wondering if someone could take a look at these links for a motor and gearbox and tell me what numbers i need to look at so that i can work out the torque, the newtons, the linear velocity and then finally be able to workout my mass i can move at a given millisecond.
    Here is a motor im looking at http://www.cononmotor.com.au/online...Three-phase-415v/p/66343646/category=19369196
    Here is a gearbox im looking at http://www.cononmotor.com.au/online...19mm-input-shaft/p/66319328/category=19369213

    Thanks again all.
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    Thanks for the quick response but im still a little confused on the gearbox page where the stats of the boxes are the left hand column says n1=1400 r min but the motor i was looking at is a 2800rpm? Also on the gearbox page what do each of the other column letters stand for there is "L" , "n2r min", "m2 n.m".
    Also looking down i see the motor nmrv090 motor outputs 271nm the one im looking at is the nmrv063 which i think outputs 93 or 121nm?
    Thanks
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    Th columns are Ratio, RPM and N.M.

    Let me try and give you some comparative context, what you have in mind is about 3 times as powerful as 200W, 3200rpm, 50:1 DC motors, which are 36NM.
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    Thankyou im following............ BUT now im trying to workout how many newtons the motor produces and am trying to follow the tutorial on the site with calculators and this sentence doesnt make sense with the maths i have "You can divide the motor torque by the CTC to calculate Newtons."
    I have already gotten the Linear velocity but cant workout how to get the newtons, i have divided as it says but doesnt work.
    Thanks.
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    You can take the torque, say 93 and divide it by the CTC of the lever 0.05 (50mm) = 1860 Newtons.
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    Ok i THINK i have this worked out so here are some calculations.....please tell me if im wrong.
    So i have a CTC(radius) of 100mm, an RPM of 56 which gives me a linear velocity of 0.58 m/s.
    I have a motor torque of 99 divided by 0.10 (CTC) which gives me 990 newtons.
    I then get the magnitute of torque by putting in 990 newtons, "the distance from the motor to the U joint" (is that correct) which is 500mm, then the angle between the motor and the U joint (is that correct) which is roughly 50 degrees, this gives me a lever arm length of 383mm and a mangnitute of torque of 379.
    Now if i want to move 200kg, i take 200 multiplied by my linear velocity of 0.58 m/s which gives me 116n.
    So that would mean if it takes 116 newtons to move 200kg and my magnitude of torque is 379, i have plenty of power to move that amount of weight.
    Does that mean if i have 2 motors i can theoretically move 400kg quite easily not taking into account mechanical loss?
    Thanks.
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    I have not run the numbers but a theoretical ideal should be tempered with up to 40% mechanical loss.