Question Pitch will NOT FLIP? Is it Simtools, Plugin or No Limits 2?

OK guys and gals here's my delima
My RollerCoaster is setup to endlessly flip 360 Pitch and 360 roll.
So far Roll works perfect, my simtools on a roll will go from 0 to 127 then JUMP(flip) to -127 then follow through back to 0 to finish the roll.

PITCH WILL NOT! WHY????

The Problem I'm seeing is shown in this video
https://www.facebook.com/charles.w.hein/videos/vb.1060536994/10212509911717052/
Notice the Roll jumps from one end of the slider to the other to finish the roll, now watch Pitch on a loop de loop... it wants to reverse direction? I dont know how to fix this!


Here's my setup

Here's the Coaster and the new Control interface
https://www.facebook.com/charles.w.hein/videos/10212503774643629/

Simtools Setup

@yobuddy @value1 @noorbeast @Pit

Any ideas?

Short story, Yes I have tweaked the values but i think its before the limitations of max and min ...

Long Story after digging into everything I went to the bare naked basics... No Limits 2 is being interpreted (I believe) Wrong ... Now it may be a bug on no limits 2 side causing this issue but heres what i gather

Roll Axis (Corkscrew)
127 127 127 127 127 127 // LEVEL
120 127 127 127 127 127
115 127 127 127 127 127
105 127 127 127 127 127
99 127 127 127 127 127 // Nice Right hand Twist
90 127 127 127 127 127
84 127 127 127 127 127
70 127 127 127 127 127
60 127 127 127 127 127
50 127 127 127 127 127
40 127 127 127 127 127
20 127 127 127 127 127
0 127 127 127 127 127 // Fully upside down
255 127 127 127 127 127 //JUMPED to the other side of the scale
250 127 127 127 127 127
240 127 127 127 127 127
220 127 127 127 127 127 // To continue the right hand Twist
200 127 127 127 127 127
180 127 127 127 127 127
127 127 127 127 127 127 // All the way back level

(Shortened for ease of reading)

HERE's the output for Loop de loop

Pitch Axis (Loop)
127 127 127 127 127 127 //Level
127 120 127 127 127 127
127 100 127 127 127 127
127 90 127 127 127 127
127 70 127 127 127 127
127 40 127 127 127 127
127 30 127 127 127 127
127 10 127 127 127 127
127 0 127 127 127 127 //Peak
127 0 127 127 127 127 // Still Upside Down
127 0 127 127 127 127
127 0 127 127 127 127 //Should have Rolled over to 255
127 0 127 127 127 127
127 0 127 127 127 127 // Still upside down
127 10 127 127 127 127 // But instead values Reverse
127 40 127 127 127 127
127 80 127 127 127 127
127 100 127 127 127 127
127 127 127 127 127 127 // Rapidly
127 200 127 127 127 127
127 255 127 127 127 127 //To catch the over side of the loop
127 240 127 127 127 127
127 230 127 127 127 127 // Then FINALLY
127 210 127 127 127 127
127 200 127 127 127 127
127 180 127 127 127 127 // Follows through
127 150 127 127 127 127
127 127 127 127 127 127 // To Level


Again I can not explain WHY but it's either a bug in no limits 2, the plugin, or just not capable of doing it (idk why tho)

Could be the plugin - you can make them do anything you want. I wrote one for No-limits were it does the opposite of what you want, as I (and most members) don't have a 360 sim.

I was afraid of that! So far I have roll working perfectly and flipping perfectly doing corkscrews but I guess most DIY platforms can roll more than pitch

@SeatTime Any way you can point me the correct direction so I may get this resolved before ThanksGiving Break (Boss is on me about knocking it out)

I dont mind modifying a plugin (if it is just that) but not exactly sure where to start (I've never built / modified a plugin YET)

Thanks for all You guys quick responses

You need to talk to the Simtools developers. Also have a look at the FAQ.

@eaorobbie @RaceRay @Historiker any help with who I need to talk to specifically? I'm shooting in the dark, Love this software but need a solution as quickly as possible

The output of NL2 is normal. You must look at it from the perspective of world coordinates. When doing a roll the direction of travel stays the same so the output is what flips. When you do a loop over the top or bottom the direction of travel is what flips therefore the output only reverses. You will need a custom plugin that accounts for this for your rig to operate as you wish.

@BlazinH I dont mind paying for this custom plugin to be done, do you know anyone that maybe up to the challenge?

@yobuddy I downloaded a couple that I found when digging but it seems like none of them want to flip all they want to do is reverse I found one that @SeatTime was playing with but for the life of me it will not flip it simply reverses

Yes, the plugin I built fixed some loop issues (it use to do a 360 roll at the top of a loop ) and also was designed not to flip, as I don't have a 360 degree sim and flipping therefore feels totally wrong.

@SeatTime I went through the thread with a fine tooth comb ... I found the "fix" download but what version was it BEFORE the fix?

Sorry, I'm just a member of this site like yourself, don't know what version it was before I did my fix (quite a while ago now ) ,or what version it is even now as released by the Simtools developers and I could not tell you if the plug-in ever worked in pitch like you require, as it was not an issue for me.

I have a solution and have sent you a PM @Charlie Hein

Did this ever get worked out?

I have a working g-seat that has integrated roll forces. (Heave, surge, sway and roll). Combined with VR, No Limits 2 is a fantastic roller coaster simulator.

Unfortunately I have the exact opposite to Charlie's issue.

As seen from Charlies video in the first post, The roll over jumps from 127 to -127. So I am sitting in my g-seat with roll forces to the left relative to the seat, then jumping to roll forces to the right with reference to sitting in the seat on the roll over. I need it to hold angle on the roll over (not change polarity).

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

@BrassEm I'm still working on my solution, It looks to be the plugin and I cant find one that flips like I need. As far as your problem I read a thread somewhere concerning DOF pitch and roll fix, I'm looking around now