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2DOF PROJECT - BRAZIL / PROJETO 2DOF - BRASIL

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by Marcos73, Mar 12, 2020.

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  1. Marcos73

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    Hello.
    I live in Brazil, in the state of Rio Grande do Sul, I have a G29 and a cockpit made from PVC pipes.
    I want to expand the sensation when playing and for that reason, after a lot of research in this forum, I will start my project, with valuable information that I obtained here and my knowledge will build my first 2DOF.

    https://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/sharing-cockpits-dimensions.6789/#post-193295.
    [​IMG]

    I know little about electronics and programming, but with the help of this forum I will be able to solve all my doubts.
    I also hope to make my contribution to this forum.
    Thank you all for sharing the knowledge.
    Good luck...



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    Olá.
    Moro no Brasil, no estado do Rio Grande do Sul, tenho um G29 e um cockpit feito em casa de tubos de pvc.

    https://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/sharing-cockpits-dimensions.6789/#post-193295.

    Quero ampliar a sensação ao jogar e por isso depois de muitas pesquisas neste fórum, darei início ao meu projeto, com informações valiosas que obtive aqui e meus conhecimentos construirei meu primeiro 2DOF.
    Conheço pouco de eletro eletrônica e programação, mas com o auxílio deste fórum conseguirei resolver todas as minhas dúvidas.
    Espero também dar minha contribuição para este fórum.
    Obrigado a todos por compartilhar o conhecimento.
    Boa sorte...
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    Which you use depends on the controller you plan on using.
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    I don't use either, my rig uses JRKs, but if I was going with an Arduino then I would use a Sabertooth. They are a bit expensive but pretty much bullet proof.
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    Sabertooth is out of my budget for now, I will choose the H Monster Bridge.
    As I already have 01 Monster, I will buy engines that suit the power of the H 30A Bridge.
    Thanks.
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  6. Leonardo Cardoso

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    Muito bom ver outro brasileiro por aqui. Estou iniciando meus projetos também para um simulador 2DOF, porém o cockpit será mais elaborado pois futuramente pretendo ver se é possivel fazer dele um produto.

    Sobre os esquemas elétricos, acredito que a segunda opção seja melhor. Os MM são ótimos pra isso, você vai precisar colocar dissipadores dele também, daqueles que compra para plaquinhas.

    Outra coisa que queria ver é qual motor pretende usar, ando procurando um que tenha como inserir um encoder.



    Very nice to see another brazillian here. Im also starting my projects for a 2DOF Sim.

    About the schemes, I believe that the second option is better, the MMs are great for it, but you will need to put some heat sink over the chips.

    Another question is about the motor that you intend to use, im looking for one model with the possibility to insert a encoder.
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    Hello Leonardo.
    Thanks for the tips, I already have the sinks and soon I'll post the images of all my electrical and mechanical parts. As I mentioned I don't know much about electricity but in this forum I have already learned a lot. The MMs need to test as it was indicated to do, just need to find the programming for the arduino for the test.
    The engines I will use will be these:

    https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br...cking_id=8de566ab-f2a1-4aa6-bde1-d20d33e8b415

    I will try to make low-cost equipment, and then, if it gets better, I will improve, maybe I will do a 4DOF or 6DOF, but I need to understand everything first ... let's talk and exchange experiences here. Could you see your project?
    Good luck.

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    Olá Leonardo.
    Obrigado pela dicas, já tenho os dissipadores e logo mais colocarei as imagens de todas as minhas peças elétricas e mecânicas. Como mencionei não entendo muito de eletricidade mas neste fórum já aprendi muito. O MMs preciso testar como foi indicado fazer, só preciso achar a programação para o arduino para o teste.
    Os motores que usarei serão estes:



    Tentarei fazer um equipamento de baixo custo, e depois se ficar bom melhorarei, quem sabe farei um 4DOF ou 6DOF, mas preciso entender antes tudo...vamos falando e trocando experiências aqui. Poderia ver seu projeto?
    Boa sorte.

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    Bom ver a comunidade brasileira crescendo aqui.
    Eu não usei Arduino no meu projeto, mas eu entendo um pouco de programação e da parte elétrica em geral. Já meu conhecimento em mecânica é bem limitado e é onde eu tive sérias dificuldades na minha montagem...

    Desejo sucesso no seu projeto!

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    Good to see the Brazilian community growing here.
    I did not use Arduino in my project, but I undestand a bit about programming and electrical parts in general. My knowledge in mechanics is very limited though and that is where I had serious difficulties in my assembly ...

    I wish you success in your project!
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    ;)
    Thank you so much! I'm still kind of lost in electrical and mechanical ...
    Could you see your project?
    Would you have an easy MM test for me to do?
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    Muitíssimo obrigado! Eu ainda estou meio perdido em elétrica e mecânica...
    Poderia ver seu projeto?
    Você teria um teste dos MMs fácil pra eu fazer?
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    ELECTRICAL PARTS
    Here I will post all the pieces used in the project as I move forward.

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    PARTES ELÉTRICAS
    Aqui postarei todas as peças utilizadas no projeto conforme vou avançando.

    2X potentiometer 10k
    449.JPG

    (1X bridge h monster 30A) DISCONNECT THIS !!!

    450.JPG 451.JPG
    Update 2x H Bridge 43A
    https://www.xsimulator.net/communit...-projeto-2dof-brasil.14388/page-5#post-201899


    1X Arduíno UNO3
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    cables
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    (heatsink) DISCONNECT THIS !!!
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    connectors
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    1 emergency button
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    1 power 50A 600W
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    1 fuse 20A
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    (2 motors 12v 60rpm) DISCONNECT THIS !!!

    IMG_1064.JPG IMG_1065.JPG
    Upadate 12v 30rpm
    https://www.xsimulator.net/communit...-projeto-2dof-brasil.14388/page-5#post-201899
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    ELECTRICAL PART - TOOLS
    Here I will post all the tools and other materials used in the project as I go along.
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    PARTE ELÉTRICA - FERRAMENTAS
    Aqui postarei todas as ferramentas e outros materiais utilizadas no projeto conforme vou avançando.



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    MECHANICAL PART
    Here I will post all the mechanical parts used in the project as I move forward.

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    PARTE MECÂNICA
    Aqui postarei todas as peças mecânicas utilizadas no projeto conforme vou avançando.

    01 Steering crosshead. (possibly VW)
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    04 M10 spherical plain bearings, nuts and threaded rod.
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    01 Rectangular tube 100x50x5mm x 90mm
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    01 tube Ø25,4x2mm x 110mm
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    01 tude 40x40x1,5mm x 3300mm
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    01 Steel plate flap #5x160x160mm
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    01 PP plate flap #4x150x150mm
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    MECHANICAL PART - TOOLS
    Here I will post all the tools used in the project as I go along.
    ! Use personal protective equipment.!
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    PARTE MECÂNICA - FERRAMENTAS
    Aqui postarei todas as ferramentas utilizadas no projeto conforme vou avançando.
    ! Use os equipamentos de proteção individual.!

    epis.jpg
    IMG_E1036.JPG IMG_1054.JPG IMG_1057.JPG IMG_1053.JPG IMG_1049.JPG solda.jpg
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  14. Leonardo Cardoso

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    Eu diria pra você buscar motores mais fortes que esse e talvez com menor rotação. Utilize o SimCalc (https://www.xsimulator.net/communit...e-linear-speed-and-forces-of-your-design.270/) que é uma ferramenta que anda me ajudando bem. Logo mais vou postar o meu projeto aqui, irei iniciar as montagens e testes no mês que vem possivelmente.

    Boa sorte aí, estarei acompanhando seus posts e do @BrazilianGuy .


    I would say to you look for stronger motors than that and maybe with lower rotation. Use SimCalc (https://www.xsimulator.net/communit...e-linear-speed-and-forces-of-your-design.270/), it's a great tool and is helping me a lot. Soon i will be posting my own project here, tests will be started next month probably.

    Good luck, i will be following your posts and BrazilianGuy aswell.
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    SOFTWARE REQUIRED

    - SMC3Utils v1.01 (The SMC3 is a controller written for the Arduino UNO R3 for up to 3 motors)
    - Smc.ino (Programming for Arduino to control the rotation, in degrees, maximum and minimum of the motors)
    - Arduíno Uno R3 (Executes the programming)
    https://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/smc3-arduino-3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/

    - SimTools_v2.4 (Generic Motion Simulator software capable of controlling various hardware interfaces, such as Arduino, SimAxe, JRK, SCN5 actuators)
    https://www.xsimulator.net/simtools-motion-simulator-software/

    - Program for 2DOF Arduino + Bridge H Motomonster
    https://www.xsimulator.net/community/marketplace/arduino-code-2dof-and-2-pins-direction-hbridge-motomonster.67/

    - Live For Speed (Sim Tools already installed)
    https://www.h2oms.com/p/downloads.html

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    SOFTWARE NECESSÁRIOS

    - SMC3Utils v1.01 (O SMC3 é um controlador escrito para o Arduíno UNO R3 para até 3 motores)
    - Smc.ino (Programação para o Arduíno controlar o giro, em graus, máximo e mínimo dos motores)
    - Arduíno Uno R3 (Executa a programação)

    - SimTools_v2.4 (Software genérico do Motion Simulator capaz de controlar várias interfaces de hardware, como os atuadores Arduino, SimAxe, JRK, SCN5)

    - Programa para 2DOF Arduíno+Ponte H Motomonster

    - Live For Speed (Já possui plugin no Sim Tools)
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    Thank you for the tips!. The engines are about to arrive, :grinnow I will do tests with them and present the results here ..

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    Obrigado pelas dicas!. Os motores já estão pra chegar, :grinagora farei testes com eles mesmo e apresentarei os resultados aqui..
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    Se você tiver duvidas para usar o SimCalc, eu posso te mandar uns exemplos, na verdade o próprio software é bem explicativo.

    If you have any doubs with SimCalc, i can send some exemples, actualy the software itself is very self explanatory.
    Leonardo Cardoso, Mar 18, 2020
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    I accept, I tried to use it but I was not successful.

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    Aceito, tentei ussá-lo mas não tive sucesso.
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    STRUCTURAL PROJECT

    Study of the structure of 2DOF.

    2DOF-ESTUDO ESTRUTURA.JPG
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    PROJETO ESTRUTURAL

    Estudo da estrutura do 2DOF.
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    The lower the central joint the better
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