Showroom DX - Compact Simulator

real nice job there. Best looking unit I have seen so far

were you developing a moving pivot point on that?

yep, no worries , do you have any pics of the pivot moving thingy?
I did have a look and probably missed it.

Great professional inspiring work @noorbeast .The best I've seen so far!
Looking forward to seeing the new stuff you're planning to add!

Your rig just gets better and better . It makes mine look like a piece of shite lol.


Good work dude amazing build can't wait to see it in full action

Really amazing work on this. I love the pro design and the attention to detail is out of this world.

And yeah, the fan grille is just cool!

You probably know how good a pilot I am So I have absolutely no experience in setting up a nice and satisfying profile.
What I can suggest is to use angular speed rather than angles. This is how much the angle changes rather than how much it is.
Angular speed is used in the Elite: Dangerous plugin.
I'll see if I can add these values in Extra1-3 of the P3D plugin. (This won't happen before the weekend or after though.)

@yobuddy?

Noorbeast, you do have a sleekly designed rig there! Good job!

But what axis are you using to make your flight profiles? I suggest you start out with pitch and roll only to make a profile for commercial type aircraft. All you should need to do is increase or decrease the maximum values in the tuning center until the pitch and roll angles of your rig matches the pitch and roll angles of the aircraft and your done. No washout is required. I used a level app with degrees output on my cell phone to determine my rigs angles but its not that critical. Your rig should move smoothly from one side to other now if it is capable of doing so. If it doesn’t you probably need more power or a higher gear ratio.

After you get this working then I would try making a profile for military and acrobatic aircraft by using roll acceleration and pitch acceleration if they are available with a washout back to center. If roll and pitch accelerations are not available, they can be calculated by subtracting where you are from where you were, but accurate results can be a tricky proposition due to timing differences in measurements; at least that was the problem I was having. I haven’t been flight siming for a couple of years now though and I never came up with a solution that satisfied me. Good luck!

Ps. Shouldn’t 100% washout be the longest and 0% is no washout?

I’m glad to assist @noorbeast when there is something that I think I may be able to help with one way or the other.

The way I see it, there can’t be a washout from the pitch or roll axis because the pitch and roll axis don’t naturally return to level (or center) when you let off the stick, they always stay at the same angles the aircraft is at. So when simtools is trying to washout, I believe the axis just keep trying to go back to the correct angles they are being told they should be at. You need to use angular speeds as value1 states, or pitch and roll acceleration rates by my terminology. As you center the flight stick after movement, accelerations stop, so without a washout your rig should immediately be returning to center at the same rate the accelerations are ceasing. But this is not a natural feeling to be moved in an opposing direction (back to level) when the accelerations stop, they normally simply cease. Therefore, how a washout should work in this case, is it allows the rig to slowly return back to level as the accelerations cease, so it is not actually noticeable you are moving (accelerating) in a direction that you shouldn’t be. Of course, with something like an acrobatic aircraft, you don’t usually have time to let slow washouts complete before another turn is made so you must find a compromise on how fast to washout. I’m only stating how a washout should work though since I have not tried the washout function with simtools myself yet.

I will try to explain things further if possible. There are actually two different instances where someone may wish to use a washout of the motion from my point of view. One is that they wish their rig to return to its center position more slowly than it normally would after performing a maneuver. The other is that as their rig is nearing its limits in travel, they wish to washout the motion so it doesn’t just instantly stop at the rigs limits.

I assume you know the purpose of a washout is an attempt to control movements that don’t feel correct so you aren’t able to feel them. For example, if you are attempting a 360 degree roll, but your rigs limit in movement is only 30 degrees in each direction, it will quickly get to 30 degrees and then just abruptly stop moving which does not feel right. Therefore, at say 20 degrees tilt of your rig as an example, you would start washing out the motion so it doesn’t make an abrupt stop at the 30 degree limit, but a controlled one starting from 20 degrees out. Theoretically, when a washout like this case works properly, even though your rig will stop moving altogether at 30 degrees, your brain should be telling you that you are still rotating in your 360-degree roll. But what happens when your 360 roll is about completed? Your rig is still tilted 30 degrees when it should now be leveling out. Without another washout to return the rig to center slowly, the rig will snap to center when the turn is completed causing an opposite acceleration to be felt when there actually should be no acceleration felt at all since you are simply trying to right what is now an error in the rigs position.

As far as simtools goes, currently there is no way to calculate acceleration rates out of pitch and roll angles within the program itself unless it can be done within a games plugin somehow. Therefore, hopefully @value1 will be able to find the actual acceleration rates coming from the games themselves and put them on the “extra” axis as he stated. Acceleration rates can be calculated from a secondary source however; e.g. in an arduino or a standalone program being driven by simtools data output. For it to be done within simtools itself, an interface would need to be added to the program to accomplish the task I think.

As stated previously, I have not be active with flight sims for a couple of years now. But I know that DCS Flaming Cliffs 2 has rotational accelerations available so I assume they can be found in DCS World also. And FSX have what they call rotational velocities available but the output is in feet per second which makes no since to me when dealing with rotation. I was never able to get things working with them but maybe that’s because they are not the proper values. Those are the only two programs I experimented with though.