Basic Advice

Is the value and experience of a self build better than a turnkey by SimXperience that costs around 13,000 U.S.?
Does anyone know who could build a custom project for a fee?
Thanks,
rfsalter

I would suggest that the community not be shy with regard to Roberts question. If someone can come up with more cost effective way to get all of the equipment that Robert was quoted, I would be appreciative of the knowledge as well.

BTW- The system is not entirely turnkey. It is shipped in a crate, mostly assembled. It does require minimal assembly and connection of the PC.

@Robert- You can always start with our DIY starter kit and have a custom fabricator build you anything that your imagination can dream up.

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People often have no idea on how much money and time is spent to build a nice grade sim motion rig!

I have spent by far more than 10KUSD, mainly if we take into consideration all different display configurations I have tested and that I paid a big buck for the crappy Frex kit (with no support)!

13K is a steal when compared to the next step which would be a system from CXC, it might be starting in the 30K range.

If Robert wants to save, and have the time and knowledge to build a simulator himself, I don't see why he is wasting time with such sort of non ethic question here in this forums.

If I understood well, he wants a professional grade sim rig, but he will pay only for the equipment, and someone else would build and put everything together for him, for free, delivered at his doorstep. Did I get it right?

Cheers,

MY

I'll do it....D

I found this site only few months ago and decided to built a sim for myself.
Since I'm 99% done with it (i will start new thread about it soon) I have to 2nd MasterYoda's statement:

People often have no idea on how much money and time is spent to build a nice grade sim motion rig!

Reading, reasearching, ordering, waiting for parcels, experimenting, assembling etc, etc it all takes a lot of time. There is also a risk of damaging actuators if You don't know what You're doing.

I don't think so. He was offering a fee to a builder.

Just don't build him whatever You have on Your avatar, please
(yes, i did watch your video of this setup

sn4il

LOL

Just read it again... Fee not free... :rofl:

@sn4il I read the request....he did say custom....I whip up a centrifuge if necessary. The vid is my 9th rig. They just kept getting lighter and tighter...perhaps it was the challenge.

If the beamer and screen would be mounted onto the seat, he'd have pretty good immersion.
The motion range his setup provides is able to simulate way better g-forces than the Frex type setup.
I'd really appreciate if he'd share some details about his simulator in the DIY sim section with us.
I am curious about what is covered under the seat, and as well what he is using to control it.

I don't know the details but his video felt like it was sim of excavator.
(just my personal opinion, no offence).
sn4il

@sn4il
The world of motion simulation is not restricted to car racing sims.
Though I prefer a fast moving Frex or FD type simulators for car racing simulatons as well,
demon' construction with more motion range fits pretty good in the flight sim niche.
With beamer mounted on the seat, and in cockpit view, it would be a pretty good ride Imo.
And besides that, the small dimensions and its clean desgin are amazing as well.

I know, but the video I watched was done with racing game, Dirt2 if I remember corectly and I was reffering to it.
I dont have a doubt its a great flight sim.
I did not comment his mechanicall solutions nor dimmensions.
I think the range of movement is way too great for a car.
sn4il

Exactly!
I would be very interested in his config for a flight sim exclusive motion sim...
That is amazing degree of movement for such application.
Speed is really good, too.

My seat sucks for flight sim, I spent several days trying to make a FSX profile, and it still sucks due to SCN5 characteristics and how they work.

In the other hand, it is clear in the videos how Demon struggles to keep a straight line in any racing sim.
I am not sure how much experience he has with this sort of games, but he may consider tricking his profiles to limit the seat roll to no interfere so much in his wheel inputs (that is what I do). A little roll is enough to allow you body know what is happening when you have everything moving. It is much less then a moving seat (vulgar Frex style). Moreover, roll does NOT translate nicely when simulating G's...

In case I manage to find a little more room for these toys I will be a serious contender for buying one of his motion seats (for flight sims only) in the future! :yes:

Cheers,

MY

@rfsalter
The DIY version works as good as the turnkey version.
It's just a question of how much money you want to spend vs. how much you want to tinker by yourself.

The turnkey solutions probably look a bit cleaner and professional, than something DIYed.

I for myself would rather have to look where I'd save some bucks and build it on my own

You guys have made some pretty good points so far. I also am not a fan of large movements for racing simulation, but I do recognize the limitations of an SCN5 based simulator in the area of flight simulation. As with every design, there will be trade-offs.

I agree with EgoExpress. A DIY simulator has the capability to function as well as a professionally built simulator. I would say that it even has the ability to look as good as a professionally built simulator. However, this will all depend entirely on the capabilities and talents of the DIY builder.

I and many others have taken ALOT of time to post what we have learned here over the years. Anyone who has the skills and is willing to take the time to search through these forums can build a very capable simulator.

I also agree with egoexpress that DIY vs. professional is more a matter of time and effort vs. money. The more that you are willing to build yourself, the more money you will save.

That being said, I have done my best to come up with solutions that meet the needs of the DIY market in the way of starter kits, as well as completely assembled simulators for those that dont have the time or money to do it themselves.

As always, I am open to ideas for improvement.

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I think it's great having the choice of going either professional, partially or fully DIY. I chose to go the DIY route just for the challenge and satisfaction and I did save quite a bit but I still spent close to $10,000 and still counting .

With the help of the guys on this forum, you can't go wrong either way.

....Mike