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motor en smc3 noise after switching PSU

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Building Q&A / FAQ' started by SaintFrank, Jun 18, 2022.

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  1. SaintFrank

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    Hi all,

    I changed the PSU on my simulator
    https://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/2-dof-flight-race-build.16924/

    I used a Meanwell RSP-1000-24 for my 2 x250W motors and got them to work pretty good.
    Only problem was the fans of the PSU are way to loud,
    So I got hold of another PSU a Meanwell DRP-480-24 that is fanless.

    I hooked it up to my simulator rig and this rattling noise comes from the motors.
    I tried to tune it in SMC3utiliy but can't get rid of it .
    Changed back to old PSU and no noise from the motors.

    I also see much more ripples on the PWM line in SMC3utility

    video of SMC3 with DRP PSU

    With RSP PSU


    Video of motor noise

    it gets harder when i apply force on the motor.

    Is this PSU no good for using with IB2-T bridges?
    Or is it some kind of grounding issue.

    Any help would be great.
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    SaintFrank, Jun 18, 2022
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    are you using an extension lead to power the psu ?
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    Do you use ferrite clips to help dampen electrical interference?
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    No extension but it is a 5 mtr long cable and wires are not very thick , I will try a shorter with thicker wire see if that helps.
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    Hi Noorbeast,
    Where should those ferrite clips be placed , on the cable from the wallsocket to the PSU or on the DC side?
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    Changed power cable same result.
    maybe there is something wrong with the grounding of the PSU?
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    Do you use only one Meanwell DRP-480-24? Meanwell RSP-1000-24 have 960W, second one 480W. Motors max power should be 80% of PSU, so at least 625W (PSU) in your case. Maybe this is a problem.
    Mechatronik, Jun 19, 2022
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    Thx for your reply.
    I tried it with only one motor connected , gives the same problem .
    Also changed voltage 21V to 24V but still no luck.
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    Ok thanks, will get some ferrite clips and try that
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    are you using a usb 2 or 3 port ?
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    USB 2 is more stable but has less data capacity, USB3 has higher date capacity but is not as stable, particularly as hardware manufacturers vary with respect to implementing the USB3 standards.
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    Put ferrite clips on wires in any combination but it doesnt change the ripple in the pwm signal and the noise of the motors.
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    what frequency have you tried ?

    is there noise on the pot wire ?
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    I have tried different frequency in smc3util it changes the pitch of the noise but it doesnt go away.

    if I remove the pwm wire from the arduino the noise is gone.


    I turned PWMmax up to 200 in SMC3util , and put it on sine motion , I hear clicking inside the PSU , besides the ratlling noise ,when the motor changes direction .( will post video later)
    Voltage out of psu is not cut off or something , stays on 21Volts.
    PSU likely a faulty component ?
    SaintFrank, Jun 23, 2022
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    What frequency is the pwm

    How many amps is the power supply

    Try using a battery instead
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    In SMC3util you mean ? (it's on 25Khz ).
    is there someother place to set this?
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    The PSU is rated 20A ( 480Watt/24V) adjusted voltage to 21V to reduce heat in IBT-2 h-bridge.
    One 250W motor connected so it should be powerfull enough.
    I will measure Amps.

    My other psu 1000W 24V works fine , but the fan noise on that is killing me.
    So with battery it will pobably work fine to.
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