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1st 2DOF compact build attempt

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by maligator, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. maligator

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    So, first off, thanks to all of you for this great resource! I previously never thought it would be possible to get into a motion rig of my own for less than an arm and a leg. I have a small MIG welder and know how to solder so hopefully this goes good.

    My goal is to modify the wooden static racing rig I have built with a 2DOF setup that will not significantly increase the footprint of the current rig. I think to do this I will design similar to the desk racer rig that I have seen on this form. That was just excellent! So, this will mean front mount motors which I know are not ideal but it should work I hope. I do not want a rig that is going to toss me around like a rag doll. I simply want decent, accurate feedback of g forces to help me feel what the car is doing and increase the immersion. I play mostly iRacing so no rally car bouncing around is needed.

    Here is how the rig sits now, minus my nephew racing and the triple screens since I have gone to rift only racing now.
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    The seat is from a wrecked Mitsubishi Eclipse and might have to be replaced with a decent (cheap) racing seat. For one, it is heavy and two I will probably want a 4pt harness which this will not accommodate.

    I am wondering if it is possible to use simtools on the same computer that I race with. I really do not like the idea of having to have a second PC just for that (space concerns and hassle).

    So far here is what I think I will need (I am sure there is more I will find out or remember as I go). Please feel free to comment on my choices or offer alternatives.

    Arduino
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    2x 360* pots
    HP server Power supply
    2x crab pot motors (http://www.ebay.com/itm/GEAR-MOTOR-...384?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51bd392f00)
    1x U-joint from a 300zx drive shaft (already had one)
    Self made brackets, frame etc
    Many switches and 12v fans etc

    As I noted, I am not sure of what kind of power supply(s) to get. I would like to get away with one to save space and I like the idea of those used server PSUs. Any suggestions?

    Thanks in advance and I will post pics, amount spent and progress updates as I go.

    UPDATED 11/18/14:
    Purchased:

    2x HP 575w Server PSUs $25

    Total Spend so far: $25
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  2. bsft

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    Hello there, good stuff on the list of parts.
    Nothing wrong with desk racer set up for seat mover, thats why I built it. it will not throw you around too much. Motors at the front like that work just fine.
    Yes replace the seat with a lighter one for sure.
    As for power supplies, yes, the server ones are popular, @Nick Moxley has a wiring diagram I think.
    Here in Australia, unfortunately everything is expensive, even server PSU, so I use 2 , 12v 40 amp LED psu bought off ebay.
    For computers, as long as its 4 core CPU, min 4 gig ram, you will be fine running Simtools and game. I run the desk racer off a cheap built AMD quad core PC. Its the graphics card that cost the most in individual component costs to get decent graphics on a single screen.
    Have fun building.
    Dave.
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  3. noorbeast

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  4. maligator

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    Thanks Dave. My gaming rig is an FX8350 8 core and has 16gig RAM so hopefully will be fine.

    Am I correct to say that I need 15amp supply for each motor? I calculated that from the 180w rating at 12v. Would I be OK with a 30 amp power supply for each side? I found these and like them better than the server supplies.

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    Thanks! It will be a seat shaker only and I hope to have the mounts to the front of the seat so I can keep a small footprint. Trying to keep the wife happy.
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    Great way to go @mailgator, I did the same thing using @bsft's Desk Racer for inspiration but expanded it to be used in multiple modes.
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    More like 40Amp Minimum for each motor. The 600pb's have been ROCK solid. Plus they are Dirt cheap compared to the Ebay LED supplies. Where are you located ?
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    I am in MA. Can you recommend any specific PSU? Why 40amp per if the motor is only rated 80 watts? Thanks!
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    DC motors will have serious power spikes when pushed hard in a motion sim, you need to leave plenty of PSU overhead for them.
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    It's settled then, I guess I will order 2x HP server supplies!
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    The HP PSUs are very cheap on Ebay, like $20, and the mod @Slider detailed is actually pretty simple. Cheap enough to even consider grabbing an extra one for a spare.
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    Yes, they are quite cheap! Bonus. I am making a spreadsheet of all the parts I will need. I just wish I could find a cheaper source of those crab motors as they are the most expensive items so far. Also need to find a cheap but comfortable racing seat.

    I just read @Slider's tutorial, looks very simple!
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    Where in the world are you located...shipping is often the killer cost with DC motors.
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    I am in USA. The ones on ebay are shipped from Canada so only $16 shipping but that still brings the price to about $106 each. It would have been nice to get away with some junk yard wiper units or something half the price at least. I am sure in the end it will be worth it for the new motors (hope).
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    You could use wiper motors and they are cheap but I think for a Desk Racer type of design you are better investing in the crab pot motors.

    If you stick with the desk racer design 25:1 will work fine, just check out some of the videos @bsft has done. If you do a modified version and mount heavy controllers on the sim like I did then 50:1 is needed. You can get the crab pot motors with 50:1 gearboxes for the same price: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GEAR-MOTOR-...483?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51bed470a3
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    Oh man. It appears I have! I doubt the seller will cancel but I will have to ask. WTF!!!