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How can I operate an IAI made ROBO Cylinder?

Discussion in 'SimTools DIY Version' started by Kan_Shin, Dec 10, 2016.

  1. Kan_Shin

    Kan_Shin New Member Gold Contributor

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    Hello everyone.
    Here, SCN's actuators are often used, but I want to use IAI's actuators, and I am currently testing the operation by borrowing one demonstrator from IAI.
    Although it seems that there is no problem with the connection with the PC, it seems that it does not move at all in output test with SIM TOOL.
    Both SCN and SER connections do not work well for output type.
    Is it necessary to create a plug-in for ROBO Cylinder or a setting method?
    Could you tell me who is familiar with SIM TOOL?
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  2. yobuddy

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    What do you do to make the actuator move now?
    How do you communicate with it?
  3. Kan_Shin

    Kan_Shin New Member Gold Contributor

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    Hi yobuddy.

    I am thinking about RS - 485 serial communication by the same connection method as basic, SCN.
    However, it seems that it can not operate according to the SCN setting, and I am considering whether it can operate with SER connection.
    I do not understand how to enter Interface - Output field on SER connection.
    Does the IAI staff work if you write the IAI MODBUS code in the Interface - Output item? It seems to be thought.
  4. yobuddy

    yobuddy Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator SimAxe Beta Tester SimTools Developer Gold Contributor

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    Forget about SimTools for a minute.
    If I wanted to use the actuators, how would I do it?
    Do they have a api or a driver?
    Maybe they have examples?
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    Daguru Rally drivers do it in the Dirt

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    What I need is:
    1) How do we start it up from the PC?
    2) How do we set the velocity and speed?
    3) How do we tell it to move to point xx?
    4) How do we turn it off/shut down?

    For example, the SCN uses the "TMBSCOM.dll" library for communications.
    https://www.servo2go.com/support/downloads/TMBSCOM-EN.pdf
    What do these actuators use?
  7. Kan_Shin

    Kan_Shin New Member Gold Contributor

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    Hello Daruru.
    I would like to use the manufacturer of that video.

    Mr. yobuddy.
    Advice Thank you.
    I will report this to Mr. IAI staff from Monday and I would like to ask if there is a control dll library.
    I would like to report until this cylinder works.
    Also, if there are any hints, I'd appreciate it if you can help.
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    It is a report.

    An answer from a IAI staff.

    I'll answer the contents you asked.
    <<Question 1>>
    When I'd like to use an actuator, how should it be done?
    Do they have API and a screwdriver?
    Would they have an example?
    <<Answer 1>>
    It's necessary to control an actuator by Modbus communication to move.
    Our controller (PCON) is equivalent to a driver.
    An excerpt on an instruction manual is attached as an example of movement method.
    <<Question 2>>
    1) how can it start from a PC?
    2) how are the rate and the rate established?
    3) how should it be done to direct to move to point xx?
    4) does shut down turn that off?
    <<Answer 2>>
    1) when turning on the power to a controller, it starts.
    2) it can be established by rewriting of a speed designation register (9904:VCMD). Please check the attached documents for details.
    3) setting goes out by rewriting of a target location designation register (9900:pCMD).
    4) when reaching the target location, movement is suspended.
    It's possible to control our controller by Modbus communication.
    The one of the way to designate the target point of view and the rate as attached documents optionally and make them move
    A page is excerpted.
    Because the capacity is too heavy if it's the instruction manual whole.
    Download more than our HP, please.
    When I think from the information I received.
    It may be the one by which diamond Dick was developing software.
    It's for teaching work to the end by us.
    Software corresponding to a PC has been developed.
    It's probably, but it's something a PC control library will be right now.
    I think it isn't possible to offer it to you.
    The way to control in the Modbus communication elucidated formally.
    I'm thinking it's safe.
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  10. Kan_Shin

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    Thank you xenogears.

    This script will be checked.
    It doesn't seem that API like SCN is prepared in IAI, but it'll be exchanged whether there aren't other ways.
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    I was informed by the staff of IAI, and when I saw the movie of the previous thread, the connection itself seems to be the most reliable connection with MODBUS.
    It is impossible for IAI staff to make library at the moment.
    I'd like to paste the IAI's MODBUS operation code material here.
    I am also immature, but I will look into the materials gathered so far and look into it.
    It is a project that is likely to take time.

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  13. Kan_Shin

    Kan_Shin New Member Gold Contributor

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    We abandoned because it seems that API driver creation can not be done.
    Now I am testing the operation with SCN 6, but on SIM TOOL it will not perform the test operation.
  14. yobuddy

    yobuddy Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator SimAxe Beta Tester SimTools Developer Gold Contributor

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    Lots of people here us SCN actuators.
    So there must be something configured incorrectly.
    please make another thread on the topic and we will help you buddy.