K8055 and x-sim using only limiters?

Hi all,

This is actually my first post to this forum even though I have visited for awhile.

I have a K8055 and have written scripts to use game controllers to run my motion setup but I use limiters instead of encoders. IT's been working ok, but I am wanting to move up to maybe something that has more options, settings and a user following. So I am looking at x-sim more seriously now.

By first look at x-sim it appears it has an option to send X, Y values out of K8055's PWM analog ports so I would think it would work as that is what I am doing now.

My setup is that I am going to a motor controller from the pwm outs and controlling the 12V wiper motors from that.

What I am not sure about is how x-sim would read digital input switches that I am using for my limiters

After looking the software over it seems that X-sim requires you to have encoders set up instead.

I also see I would need to rewire my board for that to as k8055 default is a little questionable in its sensitivity for Analog inputs?

I am kind of happy with digital input switches for limiters if I can get away with that.

I wonder if this would work for someone like me who is not using encoders at this point?

I almost am thinking that I should move to a higher end controller app. especially if a lot of the work is already done and it works with my hardware.

I am sure there might be a learning curve with X-sim but it might be worth it?

One last question, does x-sim support more then one K8055 for more then 2 DOF?

Kyle

Hey Kyle

Welcome to our forum!

X-Sim does not require encoders.

Theoretically it is possible to use 2 Vellemans. But to be honest, you should read Thanos' and CW' post before you go on further with your plans

http://www.x-simulator.de/forum/tronics ... -t495.html

http://www.x-simulator.de/forum/my-moti ... -t554.html

We would be pleased if you would open a thread in our DIY-Simultators section, posting your progress there

regards
ego

Thanks for the welcome,

glad to be in the forum.

ego,

I have emailed and had corrispondance with Thanos for a while and have seen his setup in detail. It is very good and I also feel that the pulley / cable method with wiper motors defeinately works well.

Where my setup differs is that all my scripting is done with macromedia director (lingo) and a free joystick plugin plus a free K8055 plugin.

with those, I call the functions of those plugins and can then control motors with a joystick with very little programming.

If you are wondering why I use director it is because I am a interactive designer and are very familar with the software. My project started out as one in which I would design FeelTracks for movies that would work with the chair and then it has moved to gaming. Director is really designed for timeline scripting and DVD control so using it to create a motion gaming software is something that takes a lot of work. That is why am I looking at X-sim

For my control, I also use an ezio board with the K8055, but I would be interested in only usisng 2 K8055s.

When you say (2) K8055s are possible, do you mean it works or it might work if more programming were done with the x-sim software?

I have a website that I am fixing up and will post with picts, videos and info in the DIY-Simultators section for you to see more...just need to add some things first.

Regards Kyle

No, you just have to set it up in the registry, that the Profiler can be openend twice. With 2 Profilers you can control 2 vellemans and up to 4axis.

As I said already. I'm really looking forward to see your progress in the DIY section

ego

RaceRay,

Other then the K8055 having low sensitivity on it's analog inputs (unless the soldering fix is done)...what are the other disadvantages?


For motor driving I use D-rex and NMIH-0050

http://www.newmicros.com/

mechanics are chain cable sprocket (moving to pulley) to actigravity recliner (pitch chair)
Not really R&R or frex completely different...working on 5 DOF with a switch to turn roll into frex G-motion for when you a playing a driving game.

Regards Kyle

The analog output of the velleman, which is supported by the X-Sim Software currently, only gives a position signal, and not a movement/speed signal.

This simple analog output is just for voltage following interfaces like the festo pneumatic muscels use for example.

Full analog output support will be available in Profiler2 only.

regards
ego

viewed your reply in a translated version.

something must have changed or you translated it...it's ok now

anyway.....when is Profiler2 going to be released? and do you know if it will support limit switches for the mechanics range as digital inputs into K8055. Or maybe the profiler does now?

Kyle

I do not understand what you are mentioning!

You posted in english, and I answered in english.

No need for translators...


Imho Sirnoname, EvanF, and CW could answer to your Velleman/X-Sim related questions better than I.

Just wait for their answers...

ego

Ego,

For some reason the first posting was english but looked like my browser was translating from something and got the meaning wrong....or maybe you made changes to clarify it......looks fine and is understandable.

not sure what happen.

anyway thanks for your replies today, I will wait for some others to give some K8055 feedback

Regards Kyle

Hi Kyle,

The velleman, as it is supported by the profiler for now, it only outputs digital signals to drive relays. It uses its analog ports to digitize the feedback of the position with simple pots.

You can not implement any other modification to this (for example drive motors with PWM or pulse servos like HB-25).

That's way I adapted my proportional servo controller using basic stamp to the general USO output of the profiler to handle the output the way I wanted.

The new motion controller, I design right now, will support multiple types of controller, with PWM input or servo signal input like the HB-25. And except of the ability to have feedback via simple potetiometers, it will support position feedback by using optical encoders as alternative.

Regards, Thanos

The velleman provides two simple ananlog outputs. But at this time I dont now if it would be usable for Kyle's purposes.

I think he should follow CWs thread, as they are talking about this issue there right now.

thanks for the reply Thanos and Ego,

cystal clear now about no (or somewhat limited) pwm out support with k8055

....yea I really need analog output to the motors I have

I am still looking at your latest thread about your new motion controller because looks like you have made some new progress on some things since I last looked

........and will jump over to the CW thread and hunt for more info there

thanks guys


Kyle