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RnR Softmotion

Discussion in 'Rock n Ride simulators - Outdated' started by Chewe, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. Chewe

    Chewe New Member

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    First of all Congratulation for your work!!

    I wonder what's about softmotion. I'm looking forward an old RnR to start from. I assume it's going to be on serial ports. What i would like to know is if by buying vm110 usb i would be able to get softmotion on it.

    Would it be hard to remove transitors from vm110?

    Thankyou so much for your work. Hope i can show progress soon!

    It's been long since i started dreaming about the possibility to democratise motion simulators. Pink Floyd We are just two lost souls swimming on a fish bowl year after year, running on the same ground


    Chewe, Sep 25, 2007
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    Hi Chewe

    Welcome to our forum!

    Do you know that the RnR simulators are hard to get outside Germany?
    They are sold in ebay sometimes.
    Perhaps it would be easier for you to solder one by yourself?

    The Velleman does support pulsmode/softmotion.

    There are no transistors which have to be removed.

    But why not making an simulator like Tronicgr's joyrider with proportional motor controller instead of the Velleman pneumatic I/O solution?

    regards
    ego
    egoexpress, Sep 25, 2007
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  3. Chewe

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    Thankyou for your answer ego!!

    I finally get an OLD RNR equipment, unfortunately with the older board. Yesterday i've purchased the vm110 to update it.

    Tonight i'm gonna run the first tests. But i'm not sure what i should do regard to this vm110 information.

    http://www.x-simulator.de/en/hardware/c ... man-2.html

    I've try it to plug it directly to usb (without any other connections) to do a first steps to observe your software and vm110 reactions through LFS. X-sim is fine detecting the new board and force sender is delivering values to software. While trying to calibrate (no relays or anything connected) led outputs from velleman use to light up. But under simulation i don't see any other light aside power in. I wonder if it's ok.

    How should i proceed? Do i need to remove anything from the board as pointed on the link? As i understand power to supply vm110 is coming directly from usb. Should i need a power supply?? is usb enough to read pwm inputs and activate relays?

    Thanks for you time!
    Chewe, Oct 5, 2007
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    You cannot connect the original RnR valves directly to the VM110. Their power consumption is too high. They'd burn the ULN Chip on your Velleman instantly.

    You need a transistor card between the valves and the velleman!

    ego
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    Thanks ego you saved ULN chip :oops:

    I've been re-reading the link but i'm not sure how to move forward.

    Is it possible that i've got a transitor card between valves and old RNR interface? I've removed old pcb-board but don't remember seeing one.

    Is it possible to get a transistor card kit like vm110?

    edit_ what i get from my ignorance as a diy:

    1) remove IC1 from vm110

    2) Solder old rnr pcb sliders analog outputs to IC3

    3) Somehow attach a transistor card to open collector outputs with a 12V DV 4-5A

    I am wrong?
    Chewe, Oct 5, 2007
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    The original pcb has built-in transistors. The VM110 not.

    You could:
    -Use the VM110 with a Velleman relayard
    -USe the VM110 with a TCB
    -Use the VCI for RNRs with a TCB
    -Use a RnR USB Interface 1.3

    Personally I dont like the Velleman at all, because you have to solder the pot wires directly to the IC.

    For RnRs the best solutions are imho the RnR DIY Interface 1.3 or the VCI for RnRs in combination with the TCB.

    Do you have some basic skills in soldering?

    You have a PM
    egoexpress, Oct 5, 2007
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