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Siki-LUNA Sicilia 2DOF SFGT

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by micma80, Apr 3, 2011.

  1. micma80

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    The following text is given in English and Italian. He wanted to adopt a non-formal language for the user to make http://www.x-simulator.de clearest possible the translation exposure. Translation performed with the help of Google Translate.

    Il seguente testo è riportato in inglese e in italiano. Si è voluto adottare un linguaggio non formale per rendere all’utente di http://www.x-simulator.de più chiara possibile la traduzione e l’esposizione. Traduzione eseguita con l’ausilio di Google Translate.

    Hi, my name is Michael, 30, electrical engineer, living in Sicily - Italy. About four months ago I discovered http://www.x-simulator.de ... and all his people, always available. I started to think about the type of sim that I wanted to build. I chose the 2-DOF SFGT type - pitch and roll - ie 2dof-wiper-motor-car-simulator-by-Deriya-(SATO), 2dof simple wipermotor chair by ua6aak. In the future I'd like to give the 3-DOF Sim - drift / yaw - ie 3-DOF simulator by whaleman SFGT style. At the time the mortgage is in prototype phase, running 2 DOF, but some solutions will be implemented (ie 3DOF) or improved, as well as appearance. Below is a video of the first tests.

    Salve a tutti, mi chiamo Michele, 30 anni, ingegnere elettrico, vivo in Sicilia - Italia. Circa 4 mesi fa ho scoperto http://www.x-simulator.de … e tutta la sua gente, sempre disponibile. Ho iniziato con il pensare alla tipologia di sim che volevo costruire. Ho scelto la tipologia SFGT su 2 DOF – pitch e roll – i.e. 2dof-wiper-motor-car-simulator-by-DERIY-(SATO), 2dof simple wipermotor chair by ua6aak. Nel futuro mi piacerebbe dotare il Sim di 3 DOF – drift/yaw – i.e. 3-DOF SFGT style simulator by whaleman. Al momento il simulatore è in fase prototipo, funzionante 2 DOF, ma alcune soluzioni verranno realizzate (i.e. 3DOF) o migliorate, come anche l’aspetto estetico. Di seguito un video della prime prove eseguite.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIfe5efjRrM


    foto1_R_R1.jpg


    foto2_R_R1.jpg

    regards,
    micma80

    keep on ...
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    Nice work!!! :clap:
    It's interesting that only 2 wipermotors can move such a construction. :eek:
    I intend to build a similar one, but i was thinking i need at least 5 wipermotors. I should research some more.
    Good luck in improving it as you want!
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    Gran bel lavoro micma80!!! :clap:

    Really good work!!
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    Thanks to all, just write in detail what has been done

    grazie a tutti, a breve scriverò in dettaglio quanto fatto

    micma80
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    After much initial confusion, I began to understand how to be able to achieve the sim. Do not give up, you will have read a lot, it takes a lot of patience, order of ideas, and most find the right incentives in this regard ... thank pippo978 because without his answers, his advice and his attention I do not think I would come easily at this point. Thank Sirnoname - Wiedenbauer Martin, Executive X-Sim software developer, Thanos - TronicGr that AMC has developed and DSMHb (motion-motor controller with PWM / servo output) and all the creative people who made ​​it available on http://www.x-simulator.de their experience.

    Dopo molta confusione iniziale ho iniziato a capire come potere realizzare il sim. Non demordere, dovrai leggere molto, ci vuole molta pazienza, ordine di idee e soprattutto trovare i giusti stimoli … al proposito ringrazio pippo978 perché senza le sue risposte, i suoi consigli e la sua attenzione non credo sarei arrivato facilmente a questo punto. Ringrazio Sirnoname - Martin Wiedenbauer, Executive X-Sim software developer, Thanos - TronicGr che ha sviluppato AMC e DSMHb (motor motion-controller with pwm/servo output) e tutta la gente creativa che mette a disposizione su http://www.x-simulator.de la propria esperienza.

    Once seen the X-Sim software 2.0 and its great potential I have dedicated myself to the controller and the bridge H. Because I like to build myself, and I could afford to try, I chose AMC1.5 (up.13/08/2008) Thanos - TronicGr to match the DSMHb1.2b (up.02/05/2008).You can use controllers and H bridges already built or in kit form, give a better chance of success, but sometimes cost more than the DIY (do it yourself ...).I thought to create a support structure with good rigidity and lightweight, assembled with aluminum profiles.

    Una volta visto il software X-Sim 2.0 e le sue grandi potenzialità mi sono dedicato al controllore e al ponte H. Poiché mi piace costruire da me, e potevo permettermi di provare, ho scelto AMC1.5 (up.13/08/2008) di Thanos – TronicGr da abbinare al DSMHb1.2b (up.02/05/2008). Si possono impiegare controllori e ponti H già realizzati o in kit, danno maggiori probabilità di successo ma a volte costano di più del DIY (do it yourself … ).Ho pensato di realizzare una struttura di supporto leggera e con discreta rigidità, assemblata con profili in alluminio.

    The total cost is about € 450, excluding the Logitech G25, a 17 LCD and a power supply ac / dc stabilized 13.8 V - 20 A I owned. Some things I have recovered a price for or have given me. With a little 'patience you can recover everything and lower the cost.

    Il totale della spesa è circa 450 euro, escluso il volante Logitech G25, un monitor LCD 17” e un alimentatore a.c./d.c. stabilizzato 13,8 V – 20 A che possedevo. Alcune cose le ho recuperate a prezzo di favore o me le hanno regalate. Con un po’ di pazienza si può recuperare di tutto e abbassare la spesa.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwCHSWMruKM

    un giro a Pergusa con GTR2



    keep on ...
    micma80
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    Congratulations!!! :clap:
    Very good work!!!!
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    My Motion Simulator:
    2DOF, DC motor, Motion platform
    Congratulations, mikma80!
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    i like you design...great job bro. :lol:
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    Nice job!

    Two things that I noticed:

    Lateral movements are wrong configured. The sideways movement (lateral g-forces) should be inverted in the math table. When driving left, the seat should lean to the right.
    The universal joint seems too small, causing the construction to rotate.

    Regards
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    thanks guys, your comments make me happy! I read a lot about your projects and I learned from them.
    @ egoexpress ... thanks for the observation, made ​​by the desire to try the sim I realized the error,
    short a video with the correct profile.I do not understand the question of universal joint, could you clarify?

    thanks again
    micma80
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    He means you are rotating on the vertical axis (yaw), which is due to the slop in the u-joint or something around that area.
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    Part I
    I bought the electronics from Reichelt, my list below: AMC-DSMHb - Reichelt list.pdf
    The list contains the different components needed to achieve AMC1.5 DSMHb1.2b and I can not guarantee that there is full or the right amount, some things I had. Certain components have been scaled down, even during the work, taking account of certain phenomena of overheating on the MOS-FET or low EMC immunity of the control logic, problems encountered in other projects on the forum. I tweaked the PCB for the same reasons.
    PCB A4.pdf pdf 1:1 scale, mirror
    I also considered the future possibility to change the PCB and eliminate the unnecessary parts to my purposes.
    AMC1.5 wUSB+Single Hb.pdf
    To make directly to TTL with adapter TTL-232R-5V-PCB Converter USB-UART 5.0V TTL-based chip FT232R
    http://www.tme.eu/it/katalog/?art=TTL-232R-5V-PCB#id_category=113124&cleanParameters=1&


    Parte I
    Ho comprato i componenti elettronici da Reichelt, la mia lista di seguito: 6834
    La lista contiene i diversi componenti che servono per realizzare AMC1.5 e DSMHb1.2b, non posso garantire che ci sia tutto o la giusta quantità, alcune cose le avevo. Certi componenti sono stati ridimensionati, anche in corso dei lavori, tenendo conto di alcuni fenomeni di sovratemperatura sui mos-fet o di bassa immunità EMC della logica di controllo, problematiche riscontrate in altri progetti sul forum. Ho modificato leggermente i PCB per gli stessi motivi. 6835 pdf in scala 1:1, a specchio
    Ho anche valutato la possibilità futura di modificare i PCB ed eliminare le parti non necessarie ai miei usi.
    6836
    Da pilotare direttamente in TTL con adattore TTL-232R-5V-PCB Converter USB-TTL UART 5.0V basato su chip FT232R http://www.tme.eu/it/katalog/?art=TTL-2 ... ers%3D1%26 .



    I made my PCB by means of iron. Have sufficient quality and is always nice to experiment with small adjustments and tweaks can be used safely. For the toner transfer PCB I used the A4 type polish photocopier laser printed in high quality (much toner). The copper base has been cleaned with detergent powder, slightly heated with a hairdryer.
    The copper base has been set, shiny leaves with masking tape (the type used by stained) only from the long side.
    With the iron at the maximum temperature (no steam) I set the transparency of the base with slightly interposed a cotton handkerchief. Once cooled I removed all the polish gently (in warm water and soap), dried, fixed the errors and flaws, repaired the broken traces with universal indelible marker. I recorded the copper strip in a solution of ferric chloride, enlivened with a little muriatic acid (environmentally friendly ... try to recycle) and heated with a hair dryer. In about 5 minutes, stirring every now and then I got the cutting board. Clean the toner from the base (solvent), I proceeded to drill the PCB (I went a bit 'of race ... and it shows!), Checking the gap with the inclusion of larger components.
    I soldered the components first and only at the lower end of quote sensitive components (IC's, MOS-FET, BJT). Use a good quality pond, keep in order and check all components, use patience and attention. In fact, damaged components, and disruption of cross short circuit time-wasting and desire. Check polarity of diodes, IC's, etc. capacity. with the single line diagram (schematic) and when possible with the use of the meter.

    Ho realizzato i miei PCB con il metodo “ferro da stiro”. Hanno una qualità sufficiente ed è sempre bello sperimentare, con piccoli accorgimenti e ritocchi si possono utilizzare tranquillamente.
    Per il trasferimento del toner su PCB ho impiegato dei fogli A4 tipo “ lucido per fotocopiatore” stampati laser in alta qualità (molto toner). La basetta ramata è stata pulita con detersivo in polvere, riscaldata leggermente con asciugacapelli.
    Alla basetta ramata è stato fissato il foglio lucido con nastro adesivo di carta (il tipo usato dai tinteggiatori) solo dal lato lungo.
    Con il ferro da stiro alla massima temperatura (no vapore) ho fissato leggermente il lucido alla basetta con interposto un fazzoletto di cotone. Una volta raffreddato il tutto ho tolto delicatamente il lucido (in acqua tiepida e sapone), asciugato, corretto gli errori e le sbavature, ripristinato le tracce interrotte con pennarello universale indelebile. Ho inciso la basetta ramata in soluzione di percloruro ferrico, ravvivata con poco acido muriatico (rispetta l’ambiente … cerca di riciclare) e riscaldata con l’asciugacapelli. In circa 5 minuti, agitando ogni tanto la basetta ho ottenuto l’incisione. Pulita la basetta dal toner (con solvente) ho proceduto con il forare i PCB (sono andato un po’ di corsa… e si vede!!!) verificando le distanze con l’inserimento dei componenti più grandi.
    Ho saldato prima i componenti più bassi e solo alla fine inserito i componenti più delicati (IC’s, mos-fet, bjt). Usare stagno di buona qualità, tenere in ordine e verificare tutti i componenti, usare pazienza e attenzione. Infatti componenti danneggiati, interruzioni di piste e cto-cto short circuit fanno perdere tempo e voglia. Verificare polarità di diodi, IC’s, capacità etc. anche con lo schema unifilare (schematic)e quando possibile con l’uso del multimetro (tester).


    pcb, saldature, montaggio.pdf

    keep on
    micma80
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    thanks Frakk, now I run a few tests, I have not noticed significant pressures on the vertical axis of rotation, if not the gameproduced by the joint. Just run new tests'm conscious of the problem.

    micma80
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    Non potevano mancare i miei COMPLIMENTI!!!!!! :clap: :yippiee: :clap:

    They could not miss my compliments!!!!!!!!
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    Hi,
    tonight I ran some tests, the effect of rotation on the vertical axis there is very low but not annoying. I just fear that it could damage the universal joint, just take reasonable steps to put the bolts with the hub or other equivalent solution.
    I made ​​several changes to the profile of forces (i.e. lateral force), is absolutely realistic, definitely improved in the fast dynamics and large.

    micma80
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    Part II
    For food AMC I used a small power supply DIY ac / dc voltage set at about 6 V,> 1 A.
    For the controller (AMC) I think it is important to use power transformer, diode bridge and voltage regulator to have a clean then no switching power supplies. I use a straight 232 serial COM cable (pin to pin) 9-pin. By connecting the cable if youturn off the green LED AMC disconnect and reconnect or reset. If something does not work try to power cycle the power.
    Following what is written on http://www.x-simulator.de/wiki/AVR_Motion_Controller_ (AMC) _by_Tronicgr
    I loaded the 2DOF firmware on ATMega8535 (first test and then to 14 MHz to 18 MHz, both ok, 14 MHz more noisy, while 18 MHz more fluid and precise), then I proceeded to set the values of KP
    (currently KP - mot 1 axis x = 6, KP - mot 2 axis y = 7).

    Later I tried to understand the manuals as 2.0 X-Sim interacts with the game GTR2 and AMC. I use the X-Sim version of the file xsim21013bbeta.zip. X-Sim software Sirnoname - Martin Wiedenbauer and SimBin's GTR2 are installed on one PC with the following features: OS WinXP Professional S_Pack 3, ASUSTeK P5KPL/1600, Intel Core2 Duo CPU E7300 @ 2.66GHz, RAM 3 x 1024 MB DDR2 (PC2-6400), NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512 MBytes).
    To use GTR2 should be set in the file C: \ GTR2 \ UserData \ user \ user.PLR stringWrite Shared Memory = 1 / / Write game data to shared memory area to send data to Profiler.

    Parte II
    Per alimentare AMC ho utilizzato un piccolo alimentatore DIY a.c./d.c. con tensione regolata a circa 6 V, In > 1 A.
    Per il controllore (AMC) credo sia importante impiegare alimentatori con trasformatore, ponte diodi e regolatore per avere una tensione “pulita”, quindi no alimentatori switching.
    Utilizzare un cavo COM seriale 232 dritto (pin to pin) 9 poli. Collegando il cavo se si spegne il led verde di AMC sconnettere e riconnettere o resettare. Se qualcosa non funziona provate a spegnere e riaccendere l’alimentazione. Seguendo quanto scritto su http://www.x-simulator.de/wiki/AVR_Moti ... oller_(AMC)_by_Tronicgr ho caricato il Firmware 2DOF su ATMega8535 (primi test a 14 MHz e poi a 18 MHz, entrambi ok, 14 MHz più “rumoroso” mentre 18 MHz movimento più fluido e preciso), successivamente ho proceduto con il settare i valori di KP
    (attualmente KP – asse x mot 1 = 6, KP – asse y mot 2 = 7).

    In seguito ho cercato di capire dai manuali come X-Sim 2.0 dialoga con il gioco GTR2 e con AMC. Io uso la versione X-Sim dal file xsim21013bbeta.zip. X-Sim software di Sirnoname - Martin Wiedenbauer e GTR2 della SimBin sono installati su unico PC con le seguenti caratteristiche: OS WinXP Professional S_Pack 3, ASUSTeK P5KPL/1600, Intel Core2 Duo CPU E7300 @ 2.66GHz, RAM 3 x 1024 MB DDR2 (PC2-6400), NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512 MBytes).

    Per impiegare GTR2 si deve settare nel file C:\GTR2\UserData\user\user.PLR la stringa Write Shared Memory=1 // Write game data to shared memory area per inviare i dati a Profiler.



    Open Force Sender, set the plug-in (GTR2 in my case), the IP address if necessary,press try send data. Open Force Profiler.
    To set the input forces and other parameters I read guide X-Sim 2.0. I set to use as in picture.
    To check the maximum values for each force sent from GTR2 (Gforce) to launch the game on track and read values on the Input setup window (you can also set auto max/ min adj windows in force in input). In Math setup window you must set the type of force, min and max values, the reversal of the sign associated with right or left axis (ie Lateral Force) and the% presence of the type of force.
    Press Start on Force Profiler to verify that the display of AMC the first two numbers are 127 to 127, to play off. Otherwise try to reset AMC, restart Force Profiler, AMC first turn and then start the software. If it works, press start and launch the game on track, in Input setup window you will seevary the input values of the forces set in Math setup window. To power the wiper motor with DSMHb are available guides and post on the forum (make sure to link POT1 - 1 motor etc. Reverse polarity to the motor if the motor does not follow the movements of the pot. Reverse polarity on the pot if AMC fails to comply with the direction of motion).

    Aperto Force Sender, impostare il plug-in (GTR2 nel mio caso), l’indirizzo IP se necessario, premere try send data. Aprire Force Profiler. Per impostare le forze in input e gli altri parametri ho letto la guida di X-Sim 2.0. Ho impostato USO come in foto.
    Per cercare i valori massimi inviati da GTR2 per ogni forza (Gforce) lanciare il gioco in pista e leggere i valori sulla finestra Input setup (è anche possibile impostare auto max/min adj nelle finestre forza in input). Nella finestra Math setup si devono impostare il tipo di forza, valori min e max, l’inversione del segno associata all’asse destro o sinistro (i.e. Lateral force) e la % di presenza del tipo di forza.
    Premuto Start su Force Profiler verificare che sul display di AMC i primi due numeri siano 127 – 127, a gioco spento. Diversamente provare a resettare AMC, riavviare Force Profiler,accendere prima AMC e poi avviare i software.
    Se tutto funziona, premuto Start e lanciato il gioco in pista, nella finestra Input setup vedrete variare i valori delle forze impostate nella finestra Math setup.
    Per alimentare i motori tergicristallo con DSMHb sono disponibili guide e post sul forum (fare attenzione a collegare pot1 – motor 1 etc. Invertire polarità al motore se il motore non segue i movimenti del pot. Invertire polarità sul pot se AMC non rispetta il verso del moto).
    Io ho utilizzato motori tergicristallo tipo a spazzole e collettore, circa 40 W, 12 Vcc, 2 velocità -> 40 – 60 g/1’, con alimentatore a.c./d.c. stabilizzato 13,8 V – 20 A.


    Here are some pictures of what is written
    di seguito alcune immagini di quanto scritto

    image KP-XSim-Mot.pdf

    a test bench, GTR2 AMC DSMHb w / wiper motor, only longitudinal force
    una prova a banco, GTR2 test AMC+DSMHb w/ wiper motor, sola forza longitudinale

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPjS5MPwodM&feature=related

    keep on...
    micma80

    comments and corrections are welcome, the documentation will be updated as appropriate
    sono graditi commenti e correzioni, la documentazione verrà aggiornata quando necessario
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    Hi all,
    the following a placed forces profile video (corrected the direction of the lateral force and vertical force) and improved response.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj86Fh-Nq5o

    regards
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    Profile looks better now.

    You could minimize the rotation by using support rods like in the Frex design, or by using a stronger U-joint. You could try to find a U-joint from a farm tractor driveshaft at the junkyard for example.

    regards
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    new: Siki-LUNA Sicilia 2DOF SFGT

    Hi all,
    I'm here after almost two years off ... (home, work and marriage ... time passes).
    I decided to place the sim and improve it. Today I recovered a omo-cinetic joint, and soldered the plate ... short photos of what has been done.
    I am happy to be able to climb back on the sim!
    i.e.
    giunto omo 1.jpg
    giunto omo 2.jpg

    advice about this joint? (the recovered today is very robust ... I sit on it with tranquility)
    will be fine?
    Meanwhile, I try ...
    regards
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    Hi all,
    here is the work done during the week, I am now looking for the uniball joint at a low price (€ 9 for a head M10 ? ... crazy!)
    foto.jpg foto (2).jpg foto (3).jpg foto (4).jpg

    regards