Motion Sim w/ Surge & Traction Loss

I saw all that @noorbeast . And ive recently spoken to boomz over the phone. The meme was in jest.
Lighten up. Heres something for you.

Ok I am back at home but too busy to take a "fresh" video but I found an older one (w/o the new tables) which should demonstrate what I wanted to mention about synchronization between car, display and sim.

hmm yeah I see but we are talking completely different rigs, completely different motors, completely different controllers and completely different games. I said I cant get good motion in iracing, I never said I cant get decent motion in other games

Do you have a video of you playing iracing at all as ive spoken to a couple others and they all said motion is crap in iracing so I would like to see that

I would like to say that the rig must do a job - independent of which motors etc we are using - it does the job or it does not.
You should get what you see - if the action on the displays differ from what the sim is doing, the immersion is not the same as it could be, completely independent of our sim design. 2DOF, 3DOF, TL - what else you have build.
About iRacing: unfortunately I have no real experience. I bought a starter package a few months ago, but stopped playing due to personal reasons. I did not test any motion profiles. So if this issue is iRacing related I cannot help.
If you need any support by sorting out any AC settings, I kindly offer any help to you.

@Pit Thanks I may be keen to look at AC sometime some more!

I don't really wanna say my motion is awesome elsewhere as I'm not sure it is really, but it does seem worse in iracing for some reason. I'm happier with the feel of Project Cars and Assetto for instance but looking at your video it sure does look cool and I'm not sure ive ever had that sorta immersion from my motion

Ive just gone through all my jrk config settings, simtools settings etc to see if anyone sees something ive done wrong. Ive played with settings so many times over the weeks etc that I may of stuffed something up I guess aswell so please take a look if you don't mind!

@Boomslangnz IMO the jerks are working fine, but NTL @bsft is the king of jerks so he will give you as usual any support if there is something wrong.
Due to different wirings the direction of the motors of the SimTools settings differ from other builds, so it is hard to check the correlation of the directions. I remember there is a FAQ probably @noorbeast can help here for more information.

As far as I could see on the video I would disable Roll and pitch first. It is impossible for me to separate the forces seen only on the video, so to reduce your effort it would help to do as I suggested.

BTW did you try out switching the surge forces? While accelerating the seat goes forward is something really impressive!

And PLEASE make any more videos only from the back view, not from the game and pedals. This helps a lot. Thank you.

@Boomslangnz , the JRK settings look ok here as well. I thought maybe a little high on the P on the shoulder motors, but the traction loss motor P is ok . So thats fine.
If there are no errors, then leave things as they are.
With motion, different game engines will give different motion.
I think Iracing is based off the nascar 2003 engine. So as its an old game, but has good laser scanned tracks, the only thing you can do to compare is run say , rfactor or race 07 and test to see what the difference might be.
Otherwise , its all good.
Dave.

That p is higher cos I went over it with rob. He wanted it high

not always, in this case experience has spoken and advised him.
EDIT, over the years , depending on frame build, Ive had P anywhere from 0.2 to 1 and D from 0.3 to 1.6
Its dependent on each setup, not a FAQ link. My guide is a guide, not fact. granted there are base settings, but Booms has been advised by the JRK king.

Are you using the new plugin with heave as extra2? I'll dig up all my setting so you can compare to what you have for Iracing

@noorbeast , the PID values have been sorted, ok!
Its not an oscillation problem, its a discussion about comparisons in motion.
@Boomslangnz has spent a LOT of time with @eaorobbie and established a PID suitable for his rig.
@noorbeast , If you have a better idea about PID, then take it up with @eaorobbie .
The original discussion was motion in iracing. and he is not completely happy because the base game and physics engine for the game is nearly 13 years old.
He has stated he can get good motion from other games, just iracing is not quite good as he would like it to feel.
Now, as @Pit and you do not play iracing enough, you really cannot comment.
@scalhoun , yes please, if you are regular iracing player, can you please advise the boomster.
Dave out.

http://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/motion-sim-w-surge-traction-loss.5950/page-16#post-91447

@scalhoun yeah mate, if you could post your settings that would be great. Yes I was using extra2 as my heave but since Pit was saying I had no heave I put it back to heave to try that out. However I will properly put it back to Extra2 as although he says I had no heave, I could feel heave just fine when in seat. I take it theres nothing which stands out as any settings wrong in simtools since no one has stated they see anything.

Is there anyone playing iracing which has really good motion?

Right lets get this topic back to racing etc,

I actually have changed my seat last couple days, going from a big heavy bucket seat with mdf board underneath etc to a fibreglass bucket seat with side mounts which I figured would only help with picking up finer motion etc

I decided to try out some Project Cars and had a small 5 lap race which Ill post a video off (yes I know I haven't sorted the lighting behind rig etc, ill do that in due course but I did adjust the pics so my frame is showing more etc now, let me know your opinion on how I could improve these videos apart from the lighting if possible please!)

I noticed during the race I wasn't really getting any gear change motion etc really so afterwards I turned off a few things and adjusted surge on the seat only, put my tuning numbers right down to 0.2 from 0.8 and was feeling good accelerating surge etc in seat now but still no gear motion. Now most games I play I don't bother using clutch on the upshifts, but it turns out you need too in Pcars to get the gear kicks basically. As soon as I tried clutching on upshifts I was getting a good wee kick whenever I upshifted, I took a small 2nd video afterwards to maybe show the gear kicks etc and change in surge. I'm not sure if that's the same in Iracing or Assetto as only car I need to clutch for upshifts in iracing is the mx5

I cant heel toe unfortunately, one day I should attempt to learn it

anyway the motion feels so much better to me personally in Project Cars compared to Iracing but take a look and see what you think, id rather receive your honest opinions on changes to be made etc so please give me the harsh criticism

My 5 lap race of Watkins Glen


My small video of surge adjustment (gear kicks etc)