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Need a strong racing wheel......

Discussion in 'Electronic and hardware generally' started by Pit, Nov 16, 2014.

  1. ericRacer

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    Was unaware they sold out some beta tester's. Interesting but I would personally Still go for the DIY version,
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    >Need a strong racing wheel......
    Okay @Pit , according to your thread's title, let's try to compare some figures

    the T500RS is only 65Watt, the T300 I don't know and the strength is given by belt systems that brings friction.

    Then compare to 1000W direct drive DIY wheel, no friction, ... siffler.gif
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    wrist breakers...........
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    @RacingMat you are in right, but please compare any forces to real cars - I drive a sports (track) car, this car never spins around breaking my wrist (thanks @bsft ;) ), the wheel is definitely very strong and very fast (back in position).

    Meanwhile I got the T500RS and really this wheel plays in a different league. Even the pedals are not bad, the brake comes with an add-on (second separate spring which ads forces of 14 - 16kg).

    After testing one day (I think I made 20 hours) looking for the best settings, first I was experiencing using the strongest FFB, but after a while that forces will be annoying because you fight against the wheel and has nothing to do with real racing.

    Also using such high forces there is some clipping which distorts the expected real forces.

    Do not know how to handle 1000W, my winches has 900W and it is impossible to hold the lever while turning. Why ever winches are made for heaving heavy things, not to break wrists or arms :p

    In fact I like the T500RS, but I don't like the surface of the wheel. Cheap plastic. I had a handlebar tape in reserve to cover the wheel for now (no bad idea!!)

    The wheel is one step more to a perfect immersion. Did not believe it before but the G27 is a "slow butter wheel" in comparison with.

    OF course I will post a video including some statements soon.
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  6. RacingMat

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    @Pit I agree with you:
    highest forces are not the most immersive
    and clipping spoils everything!

    On these points, the DIY wheel is superior:
    - you don't need to have strong forces to get high speed/reactivity with direct drive
    - of course, if you want to drive old race car without power steering, the DIY wheel can make you fancy what it really was!!
    - you have enough power to have strong forces and very little forces on top! No clipping

    another different league ;)
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    @RacingMat the DIY version is really attractive (mizoowheel) but what worries me about this racing wheel is to spend more time to calibrate. adjust, and so on, rather than playing with it. :think
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    It's not like calibrating a 2DOF: it's much simplier

    Mizoo wheel firmware is extremely simple: gain 100% (or 25% for Dirt3) and FFB adjusted in game!
    MMos wheel firmware has more options but just like your FFB wheel.
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  9. ericRacer

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    simXperience , they just come to display their prices ! :grin

    http://www.simxperience.com/Communi...cally-Released-AccuForce-Information#post2442

    >>> The AccuForce Series of Steering Systems offers three consumer product variants:

    AccuForce Pro MOMO Edition - $1949

    -Priced under $2000 USD
    -Includes genuine Momo steering wheel. Choice of three wheel options.
    -Includes SimXperience quick release system with gold contacts (suitable for use on real race car)
    -Includes Carbon Fiber / Aluminum paddle shifters
    -Includes adjustable wheel button box
    -Accommodates a wide variety of real world racing steering wheels
    -Robust Force Feedback Management and Analysis software suite.
    -Custom Direct Drive Motor provides extreme response
    -Includes SimXperience AccuForce controller box
    -Includes FREE dashboard software (usable on phones and PC monitors)
    -Includes FREE In game Heads Up display dashboard software
    -No belts to absorb force feedback detail or wear and stretch
    -Desktop Mount Available but rig mounting is highly suggested
    -Encoder Resolution - 16,000 PPR (Pulses Per Revolution)
    -Update Rate 2000 updates per second via Dual 1000Hz streams (SimXperience Dual-Stream)

    AccuForce Pro - $1749

    -Priced less than the AccuForce Pro Momo Edition
    -Includes SimXperience steering wheel
    -Includes SimXperience quick release system with gold contacts (suitable for use on real race car)
    -Includes Carbon Fiber / Aluminum paddle shifters
    -Includes adjustable wheel button box
    -Accommodates a wide variety of real world racing steering wheels
    -Robust Force Feedback Management and Analysis software suite.
    -Custom Direct Drive Motor provides extreme response
    -Includes SimXperience AccuForce controller box
    -Includes FREE dashboard software (usable on phones and PC monitors)
    -Includes FREE In game Heads Up display dashboard software
    -No belts to absorb force feedback detail or wear and stretch
    -Desktop Mount Available but rig mounting is highly suggested
    -Encoder resolution - 16,000 PPR (Pulses Per Revolution)
    -Update Rate 2000 updates per second via Dual 1000Hz streams (SimXperience Dual-Stream)

    AccuForce DIY - A DIY Kit of Motor, Controller and Cables. - $1449

    -Priced less than the AccuForce Pro
    -Robust Force Feedback Management and Analysis software suite.
    -Custom Direct Drive Motor provides extreme response
    -Includes SimXperience AccuForce controller box
    -Includes FREE dashboard software (usable on phones and PC monitors)
    -Includes FREE In game Heads Up display dashboard software
    -No belts to absorb force feedback detail or wear and stretch
    -Encoder resolution - 16,000 PPR (Pulses Per Revolution)
    -Update Rate 2000 updates per second via Dual 1000Hz streams (SimXperience Dual-Stream)
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    Thanks for the info! But the link you provided is only good if you have already bought one of their products.

    As far as a DIY 1000 watt wheel goes, if your wanting to build up your wrist and arms anyway, driving a simulator beats the heck out of lifting weights!
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    and you forgot to add that simx are an arrogant bunch of swine that pick and choose when its good or bad customer service
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    I was attracted to this wheel, especially the DIY version. If they was sold to around $ 1000.00 for it would have interested me, but at this price I think it's exaggerated and more that I already have SimCommander 4 and it does not really impress me (longer to adjust than simtool) unpleasant . is will it be the same with their wheel ?

    and as you mention -> wrist breakers!

    @bsft interesting to know at that price that they have a bad customer service

    Then i just ordered a t300rs from Thrustmaster i'll see ...
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    What say IF you spend 5k on a motion rig and 3 month's down the road it STILL isn't Up and running......Would you consider that Good CS......LOL Thats the kind of service bernie and his crooked employees provide.
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    outch ! :eek: it confirms my choice !:rolleyes:

    thanks :)
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    @Thirsty spent a whole heap of cash with buckethead recently and he is back here trying to get his sim set up as he found out the lack of service from Simx.
    "Told you so"
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    I got my driving T300rs yesterday and I return .... Disappointed that wheel, I expected better. Not much more powerful than my g27 and I have not found very good ffb, I felt "disconnected" from the car as if ffb was just the fake and poorly reproduced.

    My G27 is a much better purchase price / quality with clutch, H gear lever, great FFB but weaker.

    This is a very good driving wheel but not for $ 450.00.imho.
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    Wow! Didn't expect it was that bad, I always thought it was midway from G27 to T500RS

    I bought a G27 to replace the DFGT and I got it three or four days ago, but since I'm building my rig in the little time I have at home, I haven't already opened the box... would you believe it?:eek:
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    @all: the T500rs is head and shoulders better than the G27, but if it is worth the money I don't know...I got it for less than 450 $ so I think it is.
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    Yes i payed €75,00 more for my t500rs than a new g27 and it feels far better.
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    In Australia, is about $650-$700 depending where its ordered from plus shipping.
    Maybe in a year or two