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Showroom FlyPT - 6DOF Brushless DIY Actuators

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by pmvcda, Aug 29, 2017.

  1. SeatTime

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    Yes, not moving - good pickup @Flymen . Look forward to see it moving under a load. I have a lightweight base also and it use to slide around the room so much during use that I ended up locking it down on rubber mats. There is allot of inertia involved once you have a passenger on board and the rig is changing direction quickly.
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    Tomorrow I will mount the seat and make a video with me seating.
    Just need some longer screws.
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  3. pmvcda

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    So here it is, with me seating (that's more than 80 kg unfortunately).
    You can see at around 0:38 the structure lifting from the ground :eek:, just with a pitch.
    I have some rubber under the structure, but that's not enough.
    This was using simtools test sliders.
    I need to improve my axis assignment. Anyone want's to share values?
    And has Thanos said, use some low pass and high pass filters.

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  4. Grizus

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    my simulator jumps and moves with two batteries each 20 kg ( my base weight about 60kg ) so if you do not intend to add mass to the base then you will have to fix it to the ground
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  5. Grizus

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    while heave move actuators do not go evenly up, some are slower than others, why?
  6. pmvcda

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    Yes I noticed also.
    I made two boards, and one of them is slower than the other.
    Could be the level shifter with some problem. I have to take some measurements. It's pretty noticeable on calibration, with a slower speed.
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    I would like to share my values but i'm not still there o_O I can not wait to get to this point!!!
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    for example, these are mine for dirt rally, but yours will be different because you have a different distance between mount points of actuators...
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    Thank's.
    They may be different but it's an help. :)
    Why Extra1 instead of Yaw?
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    Yaw is good if you have a 360 degree yaw capable sim, as it is just a direction of heading. For everyone else use traction loss, which in this case is available in Extra 1.
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    It also depends on how you have numbered and placed your axises in relation to the 'front' of the sim.
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  12. Flymen

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    Now that I have to wait for the encoder card, I will start the base platform .
    I wanted to compare your dimensions with them (photos) I have 570mm of travel but with the limits switch and lineaire bearings the reality is 470mm total.
    The total distance to flexible joints top to bottom is 950mm ( when the actuator is at minimum position).
    When I see your video , the base move a lot with you on your seat !:grinand may be I will do like this for the bottom joint ! ( see pic below) !!

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    I'll be following you soon too.
  14. pmvcda

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    Those are my dimensions:

    Sem nome 2.jpg
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    Took a while to make them.
    I wanted to make a "perfect" hexapod.
    Top is equal to bottom with a travel of 445mm (less with limit switches).
    On the right are the actuator travels: minimum, medium and maximum.
    On the left the height of the top structure: minimum of 623,4mm up to 1145.4mm.
    The corners are the centres of the u-joints.
    The actuators are mounted to be on those planes
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    Made some tests to find where was the speed problem.
    I thought it was in one of my boards, but after looking better, there are two actuators slower than the rest.
    So the problem is on the controllers.
    I have 2 from ACT motor and 4 from Wantai. So here's the reason.
    Although the specs seems to be equal, they are not.
    Ordered two more from Wantai and I think I will introduce a speed calibration when I calibrate for limits.
    I hope a simple linear adjustment is enough.
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  17. Rooligan

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    Great to see the thing moving. Too bad you have two slower controllers.
    I really like the sheet you made. I will be studying it before i start building. ;)

    Did you ever try that Chinese bldc controller? Looks like a compact solution to me.
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    Holy cow! This is an impressive build! Great work mate. Keep it up. You're definitely one smart cookie!

    I got a question for you. When designing your frame is there a rule of thumb to use for your actuators, like at their center value they should be 90 Deg where the 2 join the seat frame or something? If that makes sense?
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    Thank's

    Well, my thoughts where:
    -Smallest size possible, and I think that's almost impossible to make it smaller in this configuration.
    -Made design thinking that with platform at lowest position, actuators still have more than 45º relative to the floor (they have almost 50º, they are made to have axial loads).
    -Distribute evenly all the forces, centring the load the best way possible (seat more at back to compensate weight of wheel and pedals).
    -Actuators at vertical position while having maximum rotation was also something I desired, avoiding all load in one direction (of rotation)
    -Leave space (125mm in my case) so actuators don't colide between them
    -Lower the seat, the maximum possible for access reasons and also lower the CG

    But:
    -At some poses, the actuators can have angles lower than 45º
    -Having the seat lower will reduce some angles compared to the centre of the top platform, since I will also change the centre of rotation

    Check first page of this thread for more dimensions.
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