1. Do not share user accounts! Any account that is shared by another person will be blocked and closed. This means: we will close not only the account that is shared, but also the main account of the user who uses another person's account. We have the ability to detect account sharing, so please do not try to cheat the system. This action will take place on 04/18/2023. Read all forum rules.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. For downloading SimTools plugins you need a Download Package. Get it with virtual coins that you receive for forum activity or Buy Download Package - We have a zero Spam tolerance so read our forum rules first.

    Buy Now a Download Plan!
  3. Do not try to cheat our system and do not post an unnecessary amount of useless posts only to earn credits here. We have a zero spam tolerance policy and this will cause a ban of your user account. Otherwise we wish you a pleasant stay here! Read the forum rules
  4. We have a few rules which you need to read and accept before posting anything here! Following these rules will keep the forum clean and your stay pleasant. Do not follow these rules can lead to permanent exclusion from this website: Read the forum rules.
    Are you a company? Read our company rules

Showroom ODrive Turnigy 190kv BLDC 6DOF - Here we go again

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by SilentChill, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    Time for me to upgrade so I have been watching and reading to see who I can copy next :D and it has to be the ODrive path.

    I was going to go 24DC but after seeing @PeterW and @Carelsbergh_Stijn projects my mind was made up.

    So I'm in the early stage and just wanted to get my head round the ODrive and how all this shit works and I have got it working with FlyPT mover (video below)

    Reason I chose these is they are very small and I can make a very small compact actuator for my limited head room.

    I thought about the SFX servo motors and Thanos AASD but that's just not for me and that horrid whine would drive me crazy.

    So here's what I have so far and a plan in my head which I will have to make in sketchup at some point because I will be 3D printing a lot of my parts.

    20191012_211242.jpg 20191012_211237.jpg 20191012_211020.jpg 20191012_210910.jpg 20191012_211353.jpg 20191012_211348.jpg 20191012_210945.jpg 20191012_211012.jpg 20191012_211004.jpg



    Cheers all and here's to the next one !!
    • Like Like x 15
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. JAD

    JAD Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2016
    Messages:
    205
    Location:
    Australia
    Balance:
    1,446Coins
    Ratings:
    +141 / 3 / -0
    Now you got me thinking of a do over!
    I'm liking your hardware choices, will watch with great interest.
    • Like Like x 1
  3. PeterW

    PeterW alias Wickie

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2018
    Messages:
    227
    Occupation:
    Dipl. Ing. Mb (FH)
    Location:
    Germany
    Balance:
    1,747Coins
    Ratings:
    +385 / 3 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    6DOF
    Man, you really did it!! :thumbs I can hardly believe how fast you got this far!
    You will see the great potential in the BLDC motors and in the Odrive and I am glad that someone that is as famous as you would like to go this way.
    With the setting of the Odrive parameters I can help you and maybe also Stijn and Zennix (in the Odrive forum) .
    I already walked through the Valley of Tears - and think you don't have to do same. The basic work is already done.
    I once created a table with some important Odrive settings that can help a lot understanding the syntax of the setting-commands:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/0j904viqwh77yyb/Odrive-commands.ods?dl=0
    If you want to use limit switches - and I think so, you have to use a Odrive-Software branch that supports the Endstops. I could forward you a version I got from Zennix that works stable with the endstops.

    Wickie
    • Like Like x 3
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  4. PeterW

    PeterW alias Wickie

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2018
    Messages:
    227
    Occupation:
    Dipl. Ing. Mb (FH)
    Location:
    Germany
    Balance:
    1,747Coins
    Ratings:
    +385 / 3 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    6DOF
    I have just seen that you ordered 190kV engines. Weren't you going to order the 290kV engines? The 190KVs are little slower but could work anyway
    Wickie
  5. hannibal

    hannibal Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    677
    Balance:
    4,490Coins
    Ratings:
    +297 / 4 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    6DOF
    effin awesome.. i like this community inspires each other..
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 2
  6. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    Yes I will need the end stops I have read the forum over at Odrive is it Watermelon whos branch that has the end stops built in ? I'll be sure to give you a shout as soon as I'm somewhere near having to flash the new firmware

    I changed my mind and went for more torque and higher voltage so I have a 42v PSU which I will turn down hopefully to a max of 37v to match the motors. I will still have a over 6000rpm to play with which is more than enough but I will have more torque, I think will be close to 3N.m a motor. Maths never my strong point lol

    P.s. Famous ?? Haha make me blush :p
    • Like Like x 2
  7. hannibal

    hannibal Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    677
    Balance:
    4,490Coins
    Ratings:
    +297 / 4 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    6DOF
    jeez 6000 rpm? me thinks @SilentChill is making ejection seat simulator.. :p
    • Funny Funny x 2
  8. hideki

    hideki Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2014
    Messages:
    169
    Location:
    Spain
    Balance:
    - 208Coins
    Ratings:
    +52 / 1 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    2DOF, SCN5
    just WOW!! Those litle motors cost just 88 euros in Spain. Are you sure they will take all the load of your rig? this forum is always surprising. Honestly, what a Great work SilentChill...
    • Winner Winner x 1
  9. wannabeaflyer2

    wannabeaflyer2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2015
    Messages:
    724
    Location:
    london uk
    Balance:
    8,310Coins
    Ratings:
    +953 / 7 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    2DOF, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    HeyHey @SilentChill early days yet mate and already showing the hall marks of a man on a mission , Nice work matey :) and so here's to you paving the way to another generation of Sim platforms ...very nicely done :)
  10. Gadget999

    Gadget999 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,936
    Location:
    London
    Balance:
    11,844Coins
    Ratings:
    +474 / 9 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    2DOF, DC motor, Arduino, 6DOF
    love to see your dedication to the sim ! this is your third go at actuators

    what is it about your current actuators that made you decide to change

    are you using a 1605 pitch ball screw ?
  11. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    So I've been slowly slowly making progress, no speed records this time.

    Everything has been printed at 30% infill and with PLA+. I'm quite impressed how solid and strong the parts are.

    Most will be covered by 90mm ali tube for more strength.

    Just nee to flash my odrive and get it moving

    Attached Files:

    • Like Like x 10
    • Winner Winner x 2
  12. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    Hello all so my shopping list so far, I've included pretty much everything. I really wanted to be able to make it for £2000 all in and I'm getting a little too close lol


    Motors 190kv x 6 https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-aerodrive-sk3-6364-190kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html £351.00
    Encoders x 6 https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDet...z65aA1C39DL-2tLb8Acv0JRC3XQIx5FRoCgLgQAvD_BwE £112.20
    Odrives x 3 https://eu.odriverobotics.com/shop/odrive-v36 £501.00
    M4 Brass inserts https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M4x4-M4x...hash=item521e9d7165:m:mvmio3WtxKd4JSPO7pYD76g £6.45
    M4 Countersunk 20mm https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M3-M4-MA...hash=item1cb66c96f9:m:mMC9guzFoZ_FnQ0yIeEtDxw £12.60
    36v 540w PSU x 3 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Switchin...=1930759141974b68a37f13e34646be77f42309130da2 £104.94
    Filament x 10 £129.50
    Crimper and Pins and Plugs £16.99
    Bullet Connectors £5.86
    80mm M5 Screws £6.59
    ST Link £3.99
    Aluminium Welding Rods https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07DS3P7Q8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 £10.99
    Grease Nipples M6 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M6-X-1-S...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £2.60
    90mmx3000mm Auminium Tube https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminiu...var=584726524087&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £92.34
    M5 1000mm Threaded bar x10 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1M-300mm...var=420960510097&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £15.24
    UJ Bearing https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rov...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £33.74
    12mmx1mmx1000mm Tube https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminiu...var=553004518011&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £19.34
    Rose Joint x6 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POS12-12...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £23.70
    U Bolts x 24 https://www.orbitalfasteners.co.uk/...ld-steel-bright-zinc-plated-nuts-not-supplied £12.00
    PSU Power adaptor https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IEC320-M...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £16.80
    25mm3mmx1000mm Ali Tube https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminiu...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £23.34
    600mm 1605 Ballscrew https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ball-Scr...hash=item341652b57d:m:m9gCsn7qsinTsn915nO7Xmw £123.90
    Circlip Set https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300PCS-C...013619?hash=item3d95d8b9f3:g:qMwAAOSwUaVdMS9S £5.49
    Circlip Pliers https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Piece-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 £2.89
    8mmx10mm Coupler x6 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pc...123.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7ef34c4dgCqaZR £13.47
    FK End Bearing https://www.aliexpress.com/item/FK1...466.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7ef34c4dgCqaZR £32.31
    Limit Switches https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10p...708.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7ef34c4dgCqaZR £7.02
    14AWG Cable 10 metres https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10m...720.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7ef34c4dgCqaZR £16.58
    Igus GSM-1214-20 bearings https://www.igus.co.uk/product/?artnr=GSM-1214-20 £32.98
    30 metres 30x30x3 Aluminium Box Section https://www.aluminiumwarehouse.co.uk/30-mm-x-30-mm-x-3-mm-5m-aluminium-square-tube £222.48
    Lots of nuts and bolts which i cant remember what I bought
    £1,958.33
    • Informative Informative x 4
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Useful Useful x 1
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2020
  13. gigi

    gigi Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    466
    Balance:
    906Coins
    Ratings:
    +139 / 1 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    2DOF, JRK, 4DOF
    Wow thanks silentchill for the shopping list. Just today I've created a new thread asking information about this project.
    One question :eek:nly one psu is enough for six motors?
  14. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    Yes it is total overkill its 6000watts !
    • Funny Funny x 1
  15. gigi

    gigi Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    466
    Balance:
    906Coins
    Ratings:
    +139 / 1 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    2DOF, JRK, 4DOF
    and output voltage?
  16. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    All the details are I'm the picture in first post
  17. gigi

    gigi Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    466
    Balance:
    906Coins
    Ratings:
    +139 / 1 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    2DOF, JRK, 4DOF
    I just see 42v 137,4 A
    I see sk3 turnigy brushless. it can work at 37v but it also specify with 10s lipo battery. 10s full charged should have an output voltage of 42A (4,2v x cell). so it’s ok. but i also see that this motor have a max current of 65A . 65x6 = 390A . what I wrong?
  18. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    • Informative Informative x 3
  19. JAD

    JAD Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2016
    Messages:
    205
    Location:
    Australia
    Balance:
    1,446Coins
    Ratings:
    +141 / 3 / -0
    How are the IGUS bearing slides working out for you?
    I guess the bearings are supplied with good tolerance and ID is within stated spec. I see on the suppliers website the ID is -0 +something
    but i thought the OD of Alu tube is all over the place and could be supplied with + or - something and perhaps cause the bearings to be too tight if a touch oversize.
    Have you found all the bearings and tube you recieved to play nice with each other?
  20. SilentChill

    SilentChill Problem Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    2,643
    Occupation:
    Railway Maintenance
    Location:
    Morecambe, Lancashire, England
    Balance:
    20,560Coins
    Ratings:
    +3,488 / 34 / -0
    My Motion Simulator:
    DC motor, Arduino, Motion platform, 6DOF
    Yeah they are slightly out but on the wider side so hopefully they should be ok, a tiny bit of play on the main shaft 25mm , the 12mm Igus seem to be a great fit
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Old Old x 1