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3DOF - AC Motor Platform - 95% FINISHED - 020515

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by cthiggin, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. cthiggin

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    Hi friend Speedy,
    The wireless keyboard is attached to the base with Velcro........easy on/off, but will not be "shaken" off. The mouse has a holder, just not attached yet.

    Each wheel is rated at 450lbs - when I get off, it doesn't budge or even move for that matter. I have them on "lock" now - when I get the "movement", I have six stabilizer feet that will attach to the base platform
    and lock the whole platform "in", so no movement at all. You suggested this months ago.

    What you're looking at is the "amplifier" for the sound system. I made a "holder" for it........and to the left of the amplifier, I will put the amplifier for the Buttkicker Gamer......I designed the holder for these two
    items......I use Velcro, so absolutely no movement of the amps.

    SimTools installs into my 32bit Programs(86) folder, but works fine with Win64 OS.

    Stay and touch. So good chatting with you as it's been a while....

    Thanks so much,

    Tom
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    Hi friend Speedy,
    The wireless keyboard is attached to the base with Velcro........easy on/off, but will not be "shaken" off. The mouse has a holder, just not attached yet.

    Each wheel is rated at 450lbs - when I get off, it doesn't budge or even move for that matter. I have them on "lock" now - when I get the "movement", I have six stabilizer feet that will attach to the base platform
    and lock the whole platform "in", so no movement at all. You suggested this months ago.

    What you're looking at is the "amplifier" for the sound system. I made a "holder" for it........and to the left of the amplifier, I will put the amplifier for the Buttkicker Gamer......I designed the holder for these two
    items......I use Velcro, so absolutely no movement of the amps.

    SimTools installs into my 32bit Programs(86) folder, but works fine with Win64 OS.

    Stay and touch. So good chatting with you as it's been a while....

    Thanks so much,

    Tom
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    Hey Tom, I remember reading your thread when i first started to build my rig, but I must have missed the sporadic updates through out the year, I must say you've built one heck of a rig there, I can only imagine how Anxious you are to get it moving. I hope to hear the good news sooner than later.


    And on a side note, i HIGHLY HIGHLY suggest sticking with the Gamer 2 Vs the Mini LFE's ( if you were debating that decision) I for the life of me couldn't get the amount of shake from a Pair of Mini LFE's(w/ Dayton 150w Amp) that i could from a Single Gamer 2 on the stock 90w amp. It has to do with the Very Unique mount they have on the gamer 2, Allowing the shaker itself to "oscillate" adding That much more vibration's. It was to the point where the Single Gamer 2 on my seat would vibrate enough that i couldn't see strait when resting my head on the seat, 2 Mini LFE's mounted in Many of different location's/Ways of mounting Never even came close to what I was expecting they essentially started to Clip before i got ANY eye ball shaking vibrations.

    I did however managed to work a unique deal with Guitammer Co, but in the end If you can afford it, I would bump up that single gamer 2 to a Full size LFE, that will GUARANTEED give you the shake your after (at a cost however) Also FWIW i burnt out 2 gamer 2 amps before getting a "good one" Guitammer was overly helpful in that dept to, No question on warranty n such.
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    Hello Nick,
    I finally received my Buttkicker Gamer II, two weeks ago from Amazon........had been backordered since October...........got it for 117.00 US, delivered.
    I had to get an Optical to Analog Converter (20.00 US) to drive the BKicker , as I'm running optical to my Logitech Sound System..........NO way to drive it without a second sound card, but
    the "converter", it's just the best. - I did have to go into my Realtech Control Panel and with the equalizer, turn up the Base to maxium......but I can still control my individual volume of each speaker with
    the Logitech amp.
    After installation was complete, I fired up AC, loaded the new DLC Corvette, chose track, and DAMNATION - that sucker about vibrated my eyeballs and other balls out of my body............well,
    after I adjusted it down where it should be - I just can't see going without a Kicker or other same type of system. So far, I am elated with the Gamer II........it's all I expected and more.......like feeling
    gear changes, bumps, etc..........AND this is without the SimVibe Software........which I understand you MUST use a second sound card in order for it to work..........

    I've only had ONE time that the Gamer II malfunctioned.............running on the Nord with an F1 and the BK just STOPPED................I felt the transducer and it was really hot.......
    I turned the amp off and the next day and since then it's been fine, and it doesn't get hardly warm at all - so, maybe just a burp with it.

    I'm getting real close to electronics being finished. Ard UNO, SMC3 Firmware, and one of our members is building me two special OPT/PCB boards to drive the VFD's............
    again, real close........

    Stay in touch,

    Tom
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    Awesome, Glad to hear your happy with the Gamer, Yes Simvibe will make thing's "better" but Ill be waiting for the Simtools Variant to run my shakers, Wont give bernie a penny of my $$.

    Yes you found the Max point in which the shaker will shut down if driven too hard. I wouldn't worry too much as If anything does happen Guitammer will take care of you no problem.

    Using strait Audio for shaker's is hit and miss with some cars especially since AC went with Fmod (imo Pre 1.0 the sounds were LEAPS and bounds better) Tranny whine, Very Solid Shift bumps, Surface noise from rough roads, Wind noise. It had it all, then they brought out Fmod and Fcked it all up. Thing's are getting better yes, But IMO they Already had it, and No clue what pushed them to go with Fmod. Read it was something about reverb or something which to my understanding is more for Replays and Exterior views like the replay cams. And if that was the main reason, I call FAIL on AC's part. Not to mention it forced ALL the modder's to learn how to use Fmod which in itself was a hassle for some guys.

    Now you can imagine 1 single gamer 2 on a seat, Imagine 2 mini LFE's (in gamer 2 mounts) AND a single Gamer 2 ALL on 1 chair, Pure Heaven Lol.

    Try World of Tanks with the shaker, u can feel the engine idle and when an Arty shell lands beside, you literally JUMP out of your seat. :grin
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    Hope you are right about Guitammer @Nick Moxley, as my full size LFE just stopped working, it was also with Nords.
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    Nick,
    I have been flight simming approaching 10 years, no racing......reasoning for building the "platform" w/AC.
    For the past year, man oh' man, I have the racing sim bug REAL bad...........I haven't flown for about three months.........
    I have stayed with AC and have been happy - yes, I'm aware that the sound setup is much worse than before, but for me - I have nothing to compare the AC, as well as the BK II too.
    I am convinced that it makes one heck of a difference...........and it seems to be working quite well the way I have it set up, again, nothing else to compare too.

    I do have pCars pre-ordered, and from all I can read and do hear from existing users, the sound is very good........scenery is very good, physics are near as good as with AC, so I will see.

    I can only imagine what it's going to be like when I add motion to this build.............and no, it won't shake my brains out like the seat movers, but increasing frequency on VFD's, it should
    be radical for a platform.................and overall, at approaching 68 years of age, heck man, it doesn't take too much to excite this old guy.

    Thanks for your information and I highly appreciate your contact and chat. Stay in touch.

    Many blessings to all,

    Tom

    PS - with that many transducers on one chair - Geeze Man - if you are not careful, you will definitely lose your wife or girlfriend.........won't let my wife near mine....with all the vibration and excitement,
    I kinda wish I was a female for a few moments.
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    talk to Andrew Luden, He's the Man with the Master Plan. :cheers
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    Got an email for Andrew @Nick Moxley, and if so please PM me with it.
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    I do but for the life of me, Ive never been able to reply to his email Only But once, Makes NO freekin sense at all and andrew himself is clueless as to why.

    andrew.luden@guitammer.com

    Give it a whirl and Lmk what comes of it.
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    Hello,

    what's new about this all-in-one board to drive Inverters VFD?
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    Consolidation of multiple boards into one.
    There is another Opt-PCB board in the works that will be a shield to fit the Uno.
    I am using the Uno, SMC3 f/w, and 2 Opt-PCB's at this time.
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    and what kind of board for 5V PWM (from Arduino) to Analog 10V, please?
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    RacingMat,
    Please Note: @speedy built these two Opt-PCB Boards for me as I am a neophyte when it comes to electronics. Wiring a house, I can't be beat, but electronics, again, a neophyte.
    I use a 12V PSU to power the Opt-PCB Boards. It's a real slick set-up.

    Sorry I can't be a heavy hitter in electronics to tell you how the watch is made, but being honest here.

    Tom
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    @ RacingMat
    I am also looking for commercial turntables already assembled to order 220V three-phase frequency inverters
    - Platinum command to the direction of rotation (0V and 10V) with inter lock
    - Platinum 20kHz PWM for speed control (0V to 10V) as precisely as possible
    In my case I use Arduino Due that work 0V to 3.3V and 0V to 5V step

    On your post at the bottom of the linked page that you communicated us face a commercial platinum interface
    "PWM 0-10V Analog to Digital Signal Converter Module PLC MACH3"
    http://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/pwm-to-analog-signal-to-drive-vfd.202
    Strong point :
    Prices and ready to use (deck assembly)
    Weakness for my taste
    - Low frequency PWM control dimmers
    "PWM range of receiver frequency: 1 kHz - 3 kHz"
    - Only 100 voltage levels to control the speed of the drives
    "Resolution: 0.1V"
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    Je suis également à la recherche de platines commerciales déjà assemblées pour commander des variateurs de fréquence 220V triphasé
    • Platine pour commande du sens de rotation (0V ou 10V) avec inter verrouillage
    • Platine PWM 20kHz pour commande de la vitesse ( 0V à 10V) la plus précise possible
    Pour mon cas j’utilise des Arduino Due qui travaillent en 0v à 3,3V et pas en 0V à 5V
    Sur ton post en bas de la page du lien que tu nous communiques figure une platine commerciale d’interfaçage
    « PWM 0-10V Numérique vers Analogique Signal Convertisseur Module MACH3 PLC »
    http://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/pwm-to-analog-signal-to-drive-vfd.202
    Point fort :

    Prix et prête à l’emploi (platine assemblée)

    Point faible à mon goût

    • Fréquence PWM faible de commande des variateurs
      « PWM gamme de fréquence de réception: 1 KHZ - 3 kHz »
    • Seulement 100 paliers de tension pour commander la vitesse des variateurs
      « Résolution: 0,1V »
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    Weakness for my taste
    • Low Frequency PWM control inverters
    "PWM range of receiver frequency: 1 kHz - 3 kHz"
    • Only 100 voltage levels to control the speed of the drives
    "Resolution: 0.1V"

    Additional questions
    "PWM of1 kHz - 3 kHz" = audio frequency?
    "Resolution: 0.1V"
    • + or 0V?
    • What is the IC giving this resolution?
    • Do you know more accurate turntables?
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    Point faible à mon goût
    •Fréquence PWM faible de commande des variateurs
    « PWM gamme de fréquence de réception: 1 KHZ - 3 kHz »
    •Seulement 100 paliers de tension pour commander la vitesse des variateurs
    « Résolution: 0,1V »
    Questions complémentaires
    « PWM de1 KHZ - 3 kHz » = fréquence audible ?
    « Résolution: 0,1V »
    • +ou- 0V ?
    • Quel est le circuit intégré donnant cette résolution ?
    • Connaissez-vous des platines plus précises ?
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    Resolution: 0.1V between 0 to 10V
    this resolution is on speed control so I don't think it's bad.
    The PID loop will have 100 values of speed to reach the position.
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    You're right, but the accuracy of 0,1V can also be a sign for a 0,1V voltage instability between two consecutive signals at a frequency of 3 KHz max.
    The maximum frequency of 3 KHz, is not yet in the audible range?
    For my part, I have just seen that this card would be inappropriate because his INPUT PWM goes from 0V to 4,5V and I wish to use my Arduino Due to 84Mhz but which operates in PWM 0V to 3,3V.

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    Tu as raison, mais la précision de 0,1V peut également être un signe pour une instabilité de tension de 0.1v entre 2 signaux consécutifs à la fréquence de 3KHz maximum.
    Cette fréquence de 3 KHz maximum, n’est-elle pas encore dans la gamme audible ?
    Pour ma part, je viens de voir que cette carte ne conviendrait pas car son INPUT PWM va de 0v à 4,5V et je désire utiliser mon Arduino Due à 84Mh mais qui ne fonctionnant qu’en PWM 0V à 3,3V.