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Back to basics! 2Dof is better than no movement at all.

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by mrbeginner, Apr 24, 2015.

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  1. mrbeginner

    mrbeginner Active Member Gold Contributor

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    :nerd. There are so much what you can learn in this project.
    ac tuning center.jpg ac setting 1.jpg ac setting 2.jpg
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    You seem to have very low axis allocations for the likes of sway, mine is something like 40, and some of the Min/Max Tuning Center values like for sway seem equally odd, as I would not expect to have a variation there.

    I would suggest stepping though the steps for creating a motion profile, starting with 20% Axis allocation and tweak from there: http://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/steps-to-create-a-motion-profile.228/
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  3. mrbeginner

    mrbeginner Active Member Gold Contributor

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    I been setting all step by step when i first time try different forces and i'm satisfied with these. Maybe it's still time to reset all and go again.. Just save my previous settings and try if all come back same kind when starting in zero.
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    mrbeginner, Feb 10, 2016
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    Wipe clean and start fresh

    Dont use the "capture min max" value's....Input your own as Whole #'s like .1 or .2 or 1.5 ect ect....easier to remember whole #'s.

    Also As Noor said Certain forces NEEEEEED to be the same, Roll, Sway and in particular. having those offset will cause a serious issue.

    Next CRANK up those Axis %'s you can be a total of 150% and be safe with a standard 40cm up 40cm Down on your 65mm lever setup....Especially in AC, you'll never see any values in game to max out that 40up 40down.

    And as usual, ASK question's if you dont understand something, were here for ya bud.:cheers
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    Lol. mrbeginner I just want to say dam straight! to the name of your thread:)
    eightbit, Feb 11, 2016
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  6. mrbeginner

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    Now i get it homer-simpson-doh.jpg

    When you watch too close you don't understand what is your problem.. I haven't see those sway and roll differences because i just try to set heave and surge on right feel. I start to beginning in AC and first i get car motion in right when driving norshleife. I like to do this first because this track has so much roll, pitch and heave movement that you can feel like you are in real car. After that, those surge and sway are much easier to put good level because you can adjust those with and without car movements. By the way i change those tuning center values in 0,1 precision. I don't know what i was thinking before... Thank you for your help! Now i get little tune up and after that i put values here so maybe someone get little more help for settings.
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    What is the difference between :
    Axis 5% with min/max 0.1 and Axis 50% with min/max 1 ?
    Wanegain, Feb 11, 2016
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    The Axis Allocation assigns how much of the total Axis travel to use for a force and the Max and Min Tuning Center values are used by Game Engine to calculate how much of the axis is used. It does this by comparing the incoming value with either the Max or the Min value and then calculates the correct percentage needed for output. Increasing the Min/Max values to higher numbers will result in less movement, i.e. will seldom reach its max or min value resulting in less overall movement but will have more range or output. Decreasing the Min/Max values and we end up reaching those Min/Max settings a lot quicker resulting in faster and snapper movements but with less overall range for output: http://www.xsimulator.net/tuning-centre/
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  9. Wanegain

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    So if I understand what you said, the best would be to have a higher value in Tuning Center to get more details on effects because the range is larger.
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    Your tuning center is going to say the level of affect where you start to feel the motion...lets say a games value for heave go to 10 as a max.....if your tuning center says 8 as max thst the range of the effects from the game that will be picked up to your movement...your percentage on your axis is going to say hay his chair leans 45 degree at 100%....you tell it to go 20% of the range....that means that your max or the 8 will be at 20% of the 45 degrees....so you would go to 9 degrees at the max. THats the way i understand it. SO for heave you would want large movements just small bumps.
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    The lower the Tuning Center value the quicker the response but over a shorter axis range. Higher Tuning Center values are the inverse, there is a larger axis movement but at a slower rate.

    That is why you will have higher Tuning Center values for flight sims compared to race sim games.
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    Ok it can be applied for sway, surge and heave but for roll, pitch and yaw we need a real angle. I am using for example 40/-40 for Assetto Corsa and 100% in Axis Assignments.

    All my % are above 60% and I find it realistic. I read the sum of % for an Axis should not be more than 120-150%. I tried and I did not feel the difference with my configuration...
    But I need to test with a real lower value for sway and surge.
    Wanegain, Feb 12, 2016
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    As I said I tried and I am currently over 300% and I did not feel the difference with 120%... :oops:
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    You should not really be using totals that high @Wanegain.

    Please post screen shots of all your Axis and Tuning settings in a separate thread. A video showing the sim movement and game play at the same time would also be useful.
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    Ok good idea :thumbs
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    I wouldnt call it out as quicker, its actually the level of granularity in the detail....so a pebble might not register where I 5 inch brick would give you a register in your sim.
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    Now i found out what was problem with Dirt rally. If i put advanced blending in settings of then sway amd surge won't work. Have anyone get the same problem? advanced blending.jpg
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    I have no clue how a GFX setting would affect direct data...you got me....
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