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Request (Feature) Mixing vibration data into normal data

Discussion in 'SimTools DIY Version' started by Thanos, Nov 14, 2018.

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  1. Thanos

    Thanos Building the Future one AC Servo at a time... or 6

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    No, I can't do steam in my lab...

    Can you make it for LFS? Its the easiest way to try it ( I have S2 licence on it for many years now).

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    Thanos, Nov 27, 2018
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  2. yobuddy

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    I'll see what I can do buddy!
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    I think i got it for LFS.
    Here you go @Thanos!
    (This is the dll only)

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    yobuddy, Nov 29, 2018
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    hexpod http://heXpod.xyz

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    Just playing with your solution on x-plane
    I had to adapt some variables to fit my cessna 2500 max rpm and increased max and min oscilations

    sine2.JPG

    I use 3 percent on heave axis and 3000 value in Tunning Center

    Well done Man. congrats!
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  5. hexpod

    hexpod http://heXpod.xyz

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    My Motion Simulator:
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    short RPM test:
    I reduced to 1 percent on heave axis and 2000 value in Tunning Center

    We would need a code which cuts down the sine below a certain frequency as its wired when it continue to oscilate with engine off as well or even when the game is paused.
    Anyway I think its a valuable feature.

    EXPERIMENTAL for testing ONLY with RPM instead of Yaw pos:

    @Thanos, @SeatTime, could you test it Please?

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    hexpod, Dec 1, 2018
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  6. yobuddy

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    Try This,
    poopy.jpg
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    yobuddy, Dec 2, 2018
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    Will just watch you guys working on this, as I'm happy to use a transducer to apply high frequency vibrations to my sim. Like the idea of a second tuning centre for B data though:).
    SeatTime, Dec 2, 2018
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    Working! Thanks.

    Ill say maybe something stupid but how about building a coefficient (2 or 3) which reduce the sine amplitude while raising RPM?


    Best
    hexpod, Dec 2, 2018
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  9. yobuddy

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    This is already happening.
    The Amplitude is being cut in half currently.
    Take care!
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    My Motion Simulator:
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    Concerning X-Plane, I can finally get great results readapting 3 variables this way:

    rpm.JPG

    In this plugin (2.1.0.0), I moved the yaw accel. from Extra3 to the Yaw slot (Yaw pos.) putting RPM in Extra3 now.

    I have a very good RPM vibration response for propeller aircrafts using 10 percent in the "Game Engine" and 50000 in the "Tuning Center"

    For those who care, I recommend updating min/max values to avoid confusion.
    Also, please change the UDP port from 4123 to 49000.

    Thank you @yobuddy for making it possible.

    Best

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  11. Thanos

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    Ok, I tried on LFS. There is RPM assigned on Extra3 but it does not move from the game.
    I verified it on the Virtual Axis, the Extra3 stays to 50%.

    Maybe my UDP settings are not correct to connect to dashboard data?

    OutSim Mode 2
    OutSim Delay 1
    OutSim IP 127.0.0.1
    OutSim Port 4123
    OutSim ID 1
    OutGauge Mode 2
    OutGauge Delay 10
    OutGauge IP 127.0.0.1
    OutGauge Port 4124
    OutGauge ID 1


    I also tried to set the OutGauge Port to same 4123, but it was just making all other values jumping to actual position and to 50% back and forth...

    Is OutGauge supported correctly for LFS? I suppose you need that to export the RPM...
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    @Thanos,
    I'll check it this afternoon when I get home buddy.
    Buzz you later man!
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    Sure! Don't forget to check the code I sent you with the AMC1208USB interface plugin with the 8DOF support...
    Thanos, Dec 5, 2018
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    AMC 8 DOF done I believe.
    I see why LFS is not working.
    But it would be a huge ordeal to fix it for a test.
    Do you have any codemaster games?
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    The only other games I have right now is Xplane and Prepar3D...
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    I can confirm that this experimental Dirt Rally plugin works with Engine RPM - I used a Max/Min of 7000RPM and about 15% axis assignment in DOF.
    I would say the output seems to me too low frequency, especially when idle, although it does speed up with the car moving off the line.
    I initially had max.min at 900 RPM and the actuators in the menu/car idle were like a trampoline. The engine rumble at idle should be of higher frequency.

    Overall a really encouraging start @yobuddy !
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  17. Thanos

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    I think the Amplitude of the RPM signal has to be variable so the actuators do not move up and down like yoyo in very low rpm. Unfortunately the RPM is plain frequency and does not contain any amplitude information. One solution would be lowering the axis assignment below 15%, perhaps 5% or less. Trust me, the vibration will still pass through even if there is no visual movement of the actuators.

    Now if @yobuddy could fix it for LFS, I could do some heavy duty testing on my own servomotor setup on this matter.

    Thanks
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    The start and stop frequency is totally adjustable in the code.
    We just need to know what works best is all.
    Same with the amplitude.

    Maybe do an auto capture on the RPM output as I don't think it goes up to 7000?
    If you only assign 1% of it to an axis it should not be to trampoliney.

    LFS would be a huge pain, but I could do any codemaster game for a test.

    Chat soon,
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    This is really interesting!

    I will be having a D-Box style up and running soon (?) and will be able to test some.
    The rig will have Thanos 8DOF MDBOX controller and PT actuators 150mm and 250mm/s.
    I got Project Cars 2 and perhaps AC.

    Regarding the RPM:
    My consern is the actuators fast enough for real engine vibrations?
    I look at this article http://www.epi-eng.com/mechanical_engineering_basics/vibration_intro.htm
    its some calculations in the end.

    Is there something in the stream that would identify the number of cylinders?
    More throttle (torque) also adds to the amplitude of the vibration right?

    Maybe I am all wrong and the imersion to simulate the engine vibrations does not need so fast vibrations as in real world? Perhaps splitting up the vibration on the 4 actuators getting Hz x 4?
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    I now got a rig up and running, got Project Cars 2 and AC to play with :)
    Was it just Codemaster games that was simple to test?
    Hocky, Feb 3, 2019
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