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New Sim Idea

Discussion in 'Commercial Simulators and Peripherie' started by telfel, Aug 11, 2014.

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  1. noorbeast

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    I am curious about the double up of motors on both ends of the chain and for each opposing roller directly connected to a motor either side of the chain, but which I presume drive in the same direction. Could that not be simplified by driving through slots in the frame and using a cog at the other end, which would reduce the number of motors by half, or am I missing something obvious in what is such an interesting and unique approach.
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    does the sphere have to give you full rotary movement?

    what if you put the motors inside the sphere insted of outside?

    fer
    ferslash, Aug 28, 2014
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    You could add enough panels to have 360 x 360 x 360 movement, but you'd need a laptop inside and some way to connect wirelessly to the motors outside. Doable, yes. Recommended....?

    What would the motors do inside the sphere?
    traveltrousers, Aug 29, 2014
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    @SeatTime would be the best person to answer specifically, but in general do keep in mind that the whole point of simulation is to 'fool the brain' rather than recreate a particular force. Hence the better question, which @SeatTime may want to elaborate on, is how effective is his compact solution in simulating heave. From the comments @SeatTime has already made he is satisfied enough with the current rig to drop plans for a full 6DOF sim.

    My reason for bringing it to your attention is that it is a compact solution and could be incorporated inside as part of your seat design. It is also not dependent on the rest of the movement system, so could perhaps be an addon, as you had intended. Food for thought at least regarding how heave may be considered. One challenge is how you intend providing power for anything inside the sphere, for computer/motor or whatever. Inductive perhaps: http://www.instructables.com/id/Wireless-Power-Transmission-Over-Short-Distances-U/
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    My seat heave module has about 50mm of travel - up/down, but this is mainly due to the requirement to move my whole body weight and also still be responsive. Works great on car sims and even DCS. I have also found with VR you don't need allot of movement to trick the mind, as it can feel like you are moving even when motion is not enabled. Real synchronised motion just adds to the immersion.
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    My approach is to design not around me, someone of average height and weight but with regard to people who will be heavier than me. So I could use maybe one motor, but someone bigger would want either a more powerful motor or two motors. I also considered having one axis as one chain, whereas now it's two chains. If this seems stupid then consider that if all the base arms are identical than I only have to make one set of parts. Plus, now it's easy to have 6 omnichain arms, or 8.

    A lot of people make their sims as complete custom one-off devices, if you're considering designing something that you hope to sell thousands of you should reuse your own custom parts and design around already available parts as much as possible... hence, 4 identical arms.
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    It seems to me that there is value in a simplest possible universal design for all base arms, both with respect to manufacture costs, reducing the number of parts and potential breakage problems, with different motor power options offered to suit individuals to suit different weight groups. Though that may well be my ignorant curiosity missing other benefits associated with such a novel approach.
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  10. Martin van Hagen

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    How will the integrity of the interface between the inside of the sphere, the user, to the outside, the electronics be done in a reliable way?The sphere seems to have a lot of freedom to "roam" around in its base.

    Anyway I really like the design, I can see myself sitting in it.... :)
    Martin van Hagen, Sep 24, 2014
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    it's not a new Sim Idea,
    we have already had a building like that here in the past!
    must remember this;)

    old like me remember;)



    riton, Sep 25, 2014
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    I would argue... it's nothing like the Feel Three. Not modular, you can't fit inside it, limited movement, linear motors, no heave..... I could go on... it just uses a hemi-sphere, and a small one at that.

    THIS is what you should be showing me :



    :)
    traveltrousers, Oct 11, 2014
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    @traveltrousers what would be the purpose of going on or argue about this? This forum is not about what is new or better than some other community members ideas or builds. It is a collective group of enthusiasts that share their amount of knowledge (vast or minute) to build a simulator and enjoying themselves while doing it.

    I think it is an interesting concept, with possible potential and from what I could see on their site with heave. The you tube, you have attached, is also a respectable design with a different solution for motion actuators, humans :grin.
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    the basic concept is
    it is a sphere that rotates.
    after you have to develop the concept or not, what you do.
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    Thanks for the update.

    This actually belongs in the commercial section and @Pit can move it there when he has a moment.
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    i honestly was thinking that this sim will never happen.... :D it seams incredible mad :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

    let us see what is under the fabric :D

    fer
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