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[PIMAX] All about the VR headsets

Discussion in 'VR Headsets and Sim Gaming - Virtual Reality' started by Pit, Sep 19, 2017.

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  1. Pierre Lalancette

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    Says who? Oculus? Did we have an external confirmation of that. I did not look out for it. So I have no clue. I do agree they spend a lot of money into it. I just keep the same skeptical about Half-Dome than I do about Pimax 8K. It is just that with Pimax, I can (maybe one day) verify by miself. Oculus, I cannot.
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    You will get to verify Oculus yourself, as R&D feeds into the Gen 2 consumer Rift. Same with Pimax. The unknown question is the amount of time between the releases and experiential quality difference. My guess is that the best case scenario for the fully completed and refined Pimax may will spill into early 2019 and the Gen 2 Rift is possibly the end of 2019-2020.
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    noorbeast, Aug 2, 2018
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  3. Zed

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    It's definitely an interesting world and it feels like things are slow as molasses. The new Nvidia cards (1180/2080) have a part outline and pad set that looks like it fits the new VirtualLink USB-C alt-mode connector on them. Lots of speculation around the web on the pcb images linked, but the output connector lineup argues against this being a Quadro - there's an HDMI and Quadros now are only DP, there is what looks like VirtualLink, and the connector on the top is backwards if it was NVLink though it isn't SLI either.

    https://videocardz.com/76953/nvidia-geforce-gtx-2080-1180-pcb-has-been-leaked

    We can't know for certain until they announce and confirm. But if it is VirtualLink on the output connector lineup, we are that much closer to next gen resolutions.

    And if you look at the VirtualLink spec, it's a monster:

    https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/...t-generation-vr-headsets-to-pcs-other-devices
    https://multimonitorcomputer.com/solved/displayport-high-bit-rate-3-hbr3.php < FOUR of these in VirtualLink

    If you check that second link on the HBR3 display port (of which there are FOUR in VirtualLink), each one can do 4096 x 2160 (4K) up to 120 frames per second. I only have two eyes, so that other bandwidth could be used to bring stereo vision at high resolution back down to the computer for essentially AR style fun.

    If the other connector is a high bandwidth connection that lets cards pair up for one per eye, it will be a new day for high res VR. Makes my danglies get all tingly! I wouldn't even care if it took two 1180/2080 cards to run that.

    On the headset front, if you look at the partners on VirtualLink, it's Nvidia, Valve, AMD, Oculus, and Microsoft. I don't know if HTC not being listed means anything since the Vive is largely a Valve design. But the quiet for now may just be the calm before the storm.

    VR is already stunning but I can't even begin to imagine 4K per eye at 120 FPS. I think it's coming. VR is being adopted like gangbusters in the training/high tech world as well as other deep pocket commercial activities. I suspect that what we could see is that be the high-priced driver for consumer VR instead of porn as it has been for VCRs, DVDs, and so on. But there is demand there and I think the VirtualLink partners see the potential.

    And who knows what here is correct and what isn't? The VirtualLink spec is what it is, though. And those are images of an Nvidia board. And it's kind of quiet in the headset world for now.

    I'm hopeful. :cheers
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    Zed, Aug 9, 2018
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    Latest Pimax KS update -

    Meet your testers at the Berlin Backer Meetup!
    Posted by Pimax 8K VR (Creator)


    Hi Futurists,

    If you have signed up for the Berlin backer meetup, details will be shared with you via email by the end of this week.

    For those who cannot make it to the Berlin meetup, please stay tuned for the channels:

    [​IMG]
    Thomas Poersch | VoodooDE | https://www.youtube.com/c/VoodooDE_PCGaming | German

    [​IMG]
    Sebastian Ang | Mixed Reality TV | https://www.youtube.com/mixedrealitytv | German/English

    [​IMG]
    Marcin Lammi | SweViver | https://www.youtube.com/sweviver | English

    The purpose of the meetup:

    • Demo the potential of 8K with recommended graphics cards and games;
    • Compare 8K directly with other VR headsets;
    • Show you how to adjust settings on PiTool to reach the best experience;
    • Collect your requirements and suggestions;
    • Answer your questions face to face.
    Whether you will show up or not, let us know your questions and we will cover as many as possible during the meetup! http://forum.pimaxvr.com/t/meetup-backer-questions/7594

    Sincerely thanks to our location sponsor ILLUSION WALK www.illusionwalk.de

    and organizational partner VRBLN www.vrbln.de

    [​IMG]
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    Best Regards,

    The Pimax Team
    noorbeast, Aug 23, 2018
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    I think these guys are already under a NDA , so won't expect much info out of the meetup - although they are familiar with the last version of the Pimax 8K - so at least can give some good feedback to Pimax.
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    SeatTime, Aug 23, 2018
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    Also news about delivery dates for 8K.
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    "People who missed Kickstarter: Preorders start in October, ships after last backer has received their headset. Targeted shipping start: Early 2019"
    Javo5, Sep 2, 2018
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    Generally positive first hand user reviews out of the Berlin backer meeting, and the Pimax 8K M2 and 5K NDA will be lifted on 16th September.





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    noorbeast, Sep 2, 2018
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    :(. News is news - there is not allot out there - just thought members who backed the 8K would be interested , don't hate the messenger.
    SeatTime, Sep 3, 2018
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    Another info video - one way to get around his NDA :). Note: Just because I post a video, it does not mean I endorse or have any affiliation with it . News is news

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    I know they still have to ship it :rolleyes:. But I must admit I'm excited after watching the comments. Cannot wait :D - will likely stay with the 8K as I have a AORUS 1080 TI and did order the 8KX.
    SeatTime, Sep 3, 2018
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    Some user comments about Assetto Cosa on the 8K Pimax:

    noorbeast, Sep 4, 2018
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    I could get it before Christmas? Man, I am not ready. A new video card will be needed, htc base station 2.0 seams out of order, my sim is not ready, this is chaos! Oh, well. Let's try to solve one problem at a time.
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    Epic Pimax 8K and 5K review:



    Video Timeline:
    00:00 Intro
    02:03 In depth Unboxing & detailed look
    08:22 Testing other face pad brands
    09:37 The cable + extension
    11:11 Using Laptop
    13:48 Comfort
    14:35 Weight comparison & results
    16:05 Using glasses
    17:41 Testing both USB C ports
    18:54 Software Installation
    20:27 Initial Setup
    21:45 PiTool walkthrough part 1
    23:30 Introcution to FOV Modes & render quality
    25:22 PiTool My Games-tab & Oculus Home games
    27:47 Audio & Microphone test
    31:07 IPD Adjustment & range
    32:58 Buttons
    33:57 Sweating & heat
    35:38 Tracking with Lighthouses
    38:10 Tracking WITHOUT Lighthouses
    39:18 Vive Tracker support
    40:15 Brainwarp?
    42:56 LCD Panel introduction & comparison
    44:51 LCD Black Levels
    48:53 Upcoming LCD Brightness adjuster
    49:53 LCD Brightness + test results
    52:51 LCD colors & contrast
    53:39 Glare & Godrays Test and comparison
    54:58 Image Abnormalities: MURA, Backlight bleed, COMA, distortion & warping, ghosting, black smear, chromatic aberration
    57:47 FOV talk & correct values
    59:28 FOV practical example
    01:05:25 FOV Distortion and flaws
    01:08:18 Binocular Overlap
    01:10:24 Sweet Spot
    01:12:16 Refresh Rate
    01:15:11 Resolution, SDE and Pixel Matrix In-depth + through-the-lens images & comparisons
    01:17:13 Much More through-the-lens images & comparisons + in-depth talk
    01:29:33 LCD Panel utilization + open up lenses
    01:33:12 Watching video & movies + 180/360 3D movies + refreshrate talk
    01:37:42 Virtual Desktop Work
    01:39:07 Leap Motion Hand Tracking Unit test and impressions
    01:40:35 Performance In-Depth Analysis
    01:46:12 PiTool In-depth and relation to Steam VR
    01:54:24 Game Compatibility in detail
    02:00:22 VR Gaming Intro - about benchmarks and my own recommendations for 22 games!
    02:02:00 Assetto Corsa
    02:04:17 Aerofly FS2 Flight Simulator
    02:05:09 Skyrim VR
    02:06:36 DiRT Rally
    02:07:56 Onward
    02:09:19 Hellblade
    02:10:35 Project Cars 2 (and Project Cars 1)
    02:12:41 Elite Dangerous
    02:14:13 IL-2 Sturmovik
    02:16:02 Lucky's Tale
    02:16:49 Lone Echo
    02:18:18 Fallout 4 VR
    02:19:17 iRacing
    02:20:57 Alien Isolation VR
    02:22:04 Subnautica
    02:23:18 DCS World 2.5
    02:24:57 Stand Out
    02:26:11 rFactor2 VR
    02:27:05 The Forest VR
    02:28:00 Pavlov
    02:29:15 RaceRoom Racing Experience
    02:30:18 X-Plane 11 VR
    02:31:38 8K vs 5K+ head to head comparison (general info)
    02:32:18 8K vs 5K+ own conclusions
    02:38:24 8K vs 5K+ - My choice? And why!
    02:42:54 Outro, personal thanks + some footage from Pimax backer meetup
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    noorbeast, Sep 17, 2018
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    Looks like it’s a non runner for xplane and dcs due to a lack of asynchronous reprojection or ASW equivalent. I have to question them releasing this without their brainwarp software. I wonder is it a lack of programming skill or is it previous patents from valve and Oculus that are preventing them from coding a solution.
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    Pimax is already emailing early backers about pending shipping, and giving 8K backers the option to choose the 5K+ with $100 accessory credits: https://old.reddit.com/r/Pimax/comments/9gsoog/guys_just_received_email_telling_me_they_are/

    This is the Pimax email to watch for:

    Hi xxxxx ,

    We are about to ship your Pimax headset!

    Please double check the shipping details: Xxxxxx

    Will you keep 8K or switch to 5K+?

    You may refer to the very in-depth reviews by our testers to make your decision:

    Mixed Reality TV | https://www.youtube.com/mixedrealitytv | German/English SweViver | https://www.youtube.com/sweviver | English VoodooDE | https://www.youtube.com/c/VoodooDE_PCGaming | German

    Also, would love to know what are the accessories you'd like to add with the $100 extra pledge, if you plan to switch to 5K+

    Feel free to let me know for any question! ​

    So the decision point is imminent for 8K backers and it is a tough choice, with only reviews to guide us. Here is the latest side by side through the lens comparison of the 8K and 5K+ with supersampling cranked up in PiTool and SteamVR:

    noorbeast, Sep 19, 2018
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    I'm going to have plenty of time to make a decision. Didn't get on-board with the kickstarter until quite late, due to initially being a bit skeptical. - backer 33XX ...
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